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you're in the podcast

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you know last week we had a special

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episode the para cast which we called

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for want of another term we called gene

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and Chris talk shop now this is a sort

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of show where we just sat back took our

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shoes off had a couple of beers and I

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don't drink beer but you know

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figuratively speaking and we talked

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about the show about our beliefs

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experiences and we answered your

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questions now I should tell you also

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that we kind of expected maybe our

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listeners wouldn't care they'd say this

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is a dull way to spend three hours but

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except for one person who posts it in

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our forms they liked what we did and

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they'd like us to do it every so often

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what did you think about that one

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particular email or message well there's

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one in every crowd I mean you can't you

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know please all the people all the time

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so in a lot of averages pretty much will

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dictate that doesn't matter who we have

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on we could have you know the second

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coming of Christ on and somebody would

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have a find something to complain about

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because here I'm a Muslim or a Jew there

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you go gonna be somebody oh we could we

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could have the Messiah coming back for

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the first time and all the Christians

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would start howling you see they'll say

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we can't do that because one of the

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co-hosts is Jewish there you go you can

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only you can only do the best that you

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can and I think you know I think the

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idea of doing a a shop top Tikes type

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segment every few months I think it's a

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good one one interesting thing that also

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happened this week is we had the

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beginning of what is called the rapture

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or at least that's what a certain

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talk-show host set but this rapture is

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something that rolls out strategically

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in different time zones now think about

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how the rapture as depicted by this

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particular person resembles the way

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Apple incorporated approaches the

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subject so Apple will roll out a new

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iPhone or an iPad at the same time the

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local time in different parts of the

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world so Australia gets it first

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and then it goes across the globe

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so you know if 6:00 p.m. in Australia

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then as we get on it's 6 p.m. Pacific

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time etc etc so the rapture was designed

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apparently to follow Apple computers

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lead well the only thing I have to say

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about all that is I totally forgot that

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it was supposed to happen that day and

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it was until that evening then all of a

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sudden it dawned on me oh my god I'm

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still here and at first I was really

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bummed because I thought oh my god I've

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been left behind and and then I realize

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we'll wait a minute

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it follows fundamentalists have just

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been zapped up into the heavens

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then the earth is gonna be I think a

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kinder gentler place and we're not gonna

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have as much you know conflict on the

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planet because let's get real gene

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fundamentalism is the cause of a lot of

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conflict on this planet and to be left

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behind and have all the fundamentalists

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be taken somewhere would actually be a

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good thing well yes but if you're a

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fundamentalist you're not going to agree

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with us I think what it is is taking

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spiritual literature such as the Bible

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to literally because it's written in the

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language of a couple of thousand years

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ago so trying to apply that to the

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present maybe allow the edicts can be

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applied and we're not going to dispute

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that but the earth is not 6,000 years

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old sorry folks

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No all you have to do is go to the Grand

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Canyon look at all that geology and

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you'll figure that one out we're real

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fast yeah you know we actually got a

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letter at the tech night a live radio

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show one of our regular listeners heard

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us say something about religion I

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suppose or about the earth and start

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telling us the earth was 6,000 years old

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I said well what about carbon dating you

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don't want to know what kind of response

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I got from that yeah now this person was

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entitled to their beliefs I don't think

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that person is listening to either show

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so it doesn't matter anymore if you

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believe the earth is 6,000 years old

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though well I wasn't there you weren't

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there how do you account for this

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discrepancy how do you account for the

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geological

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history of our planet extending over

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what three billion years how could it

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all have happened in 6,000 years

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you know it's 4.5 billion but who's

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counting hey you know I lost count of 3

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billion what's a few billion my friends

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doesn't really matter you know a billion

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here a billion there soon you have big

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money that's what the politicians say

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well this whole idea of belief and

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religion and and and what-have-you I

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think it kind of factors into today's

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subject and gas because I've been

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watching with with interest over a

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number of years the the belief systems

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that have sprung up around the whole

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Crystal Skull mystery and I think

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today's guests hopefully will supply us

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with some some some grounded and I think

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educational material that might bring us

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all up to speed I have done quite a bit

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of research in this realm so I'm really

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looking forward to talking about the

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crystal skulls and and really diving

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into how this belief system has sprung

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up around them and you know how relevant

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it is an interesting question there

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Chris how were you first exposed to the

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lore of the Crystal Skull and the lure

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of the Crystal Skull well as it could

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lure you could lure and it has an allure

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well the first time that I really had to

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deal with the subject and really had no

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choice was a woman rancher in the San

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Luis Valley claimed that she had found

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this very curious glass skull that kind

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of looked a lien like actually on the

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corner of her property and it turned out

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to be one of only two hoaxes over 20

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years that have been attempted to have

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been perpetrated on me I was able to

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find the maker of this go who was

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actually a glassblower up in Denver but

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but for the first couple three weeks

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that this thing had surfaced erased

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quite a controversy and of course being

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an investigator the first thing I did

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was call you know the top experts in the

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world on the the real Mayan crystal

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skulls so including you know the the I

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no was the

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I'm an expert prior to his death

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a number of years ago but you know when

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I broached the subject of the

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possibility of a crystal skull being

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found up in the San Luis Valley in

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Colorado he laughed and said no way so

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based on that two or a three-week period

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that I really dug into the whole subject

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matter at that time there weren't the

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number of books out there that are now

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available on this subject but I got a

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real crash course on this particular

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these very enigmatic artifacts and and

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to be honest with you I'm very intrigued

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by them and since then I've seen quite a

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number of the famous ones including max

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the joini Parkes has the mitchell-hedges

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skull which you know belong to now

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belongs to Bill Holman but was found by

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by a famous explorer down in Mexico

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mitchell-hedges and I think the subject

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is very intriguing I'm really looking

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forward to this the first segment that

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we've ever had first episode on this

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subject now we have to clarify this we

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did discover we did have something on a

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scope with not a crystal skull this is

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the one from Lloyd Pye yeah yeah totally

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totally different that's an actual

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that's an actual some sort of part

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animal artifact if you will that's a

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real skull these skulls that we're going

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to be discussing today are are exquisite

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works of art that are shrouded in quite

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a bit of controversy and we're sure we

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will be covering the the controversy in

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depth here in the show now what do you

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know about our guest Joshua Shapiro

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except that he's the second Joshua we've

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had on this show in recent weeks right

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Joshua has has been you know researching

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and actually going out and searching for

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these skulls for quite a number of years

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I'm not as familiar with his work he was

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one of the co-authors of one of the most

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famous books on the Crystal Skull I'm

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early on and a new Knick note no Sereno

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and knows most of the top people in this

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particular field I would have loved to

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have had it included in our documentary

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the search for the crystal skulls that I

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Holman and I got actually quite an

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education just by you know and being

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involved in that particular project so

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Joshua is one of the people that whose

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name comes up in conjunction with the

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you know the top experts in the field so

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I've never actually had a chance to talk

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with him so it's gonna be a real

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pleasure for me to finally meet him okay

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coming up the Crystal Skull is explored

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on the para cast the guest is Joshua

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Shapur on one of the acknowledged

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experts in the subject I'm Jean

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Steinberg the co-host is Chris O'Brien

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and Jean back on the Peres cast focusing

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this week on crystal skulls our guest is

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Joshua Shapiro now Joshua reached out to

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me a week or two back after listening to

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the episode we did with Tim Beckley and

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Tim Schwartz Joshua welcome to the power

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cast you're an old friend of Tim

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Beckley's aren't you Oh most definitely

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we've known each other for quite some

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time though so how did you and Tim

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Beckley become acquainted actually gene

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I don't recall it so many years ago I

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just assumed that probably I saw one of

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his books or he and I were at a

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conference that we spoke together but

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you know we just stayed in touch and we

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just have a number of subjects of

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interest that are very similar now as

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far as crystal skulls are concerned

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mm-hmm how did you get involved in those

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well yeah when I definitely know the

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answer to my first contact with crystal

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skulls occurred when I was living in

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California in 1983 I had a friend who

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had a bookstore right across the street

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from the Rosicrucian Park in San Jose

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called the REM metaphysical bookstore

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and we became very good friends I

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actually have the same birthday as one

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of her sons and I came into her

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bookstore in April of 1983 to see if she

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needed copies of my first book which was

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called journeys I'm an Aquarian age

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networker while we were talking she took

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out some pictures of an amethyst

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crystals go which I had never seen

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before and as I was looking at those

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pictures I actually felt myself

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responding to the photograph I felt what

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I would call an inner earthquake going

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on inside of me a vibration and then all

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of a sudden

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I just was like transfixed and I needed

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to know more about this and then about a

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half an hour later after I had that

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experience

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there was a real earthquake in

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California and the table in which this

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picture was sitting on was vibrating

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very fiercely and my inner voice which

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I've always followed because I've

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traveled a lot on faith where all I have

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is that inner voice said these crystal

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skulls are vital and important for the

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future so after having such a powerful

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experience I decided I better

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investigate this and therefore I was

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fortunate I would say about two weeks

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later the amethyst crystal skull which

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was held at a gallery in San Jose

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California they showed it to a gentleman

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who purportedly was quite wealthy with

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the possibility to purchase it and I was

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invited to see it and I actually got a

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chance to see it and then I have a whole

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different set of experiences with it so

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this period of time in 1993 I just got

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very connected with crystal skulls and

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my inner being knew they were vital for

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the future of humanity when you're given

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such information and so over powerfully

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you have a choice do I do something with

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it or do I pretend it didn't happen

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well being in Aries I will always take

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action if it's something that I feel

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strongly about so I have never stopped

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since that time yeah you raise the point

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that you felt a real strong sense that

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the skulls were vital for the for the

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future and I think that raises a bunch

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of questions so at the time your sense

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of urgency and how vital they were has

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it changed over over the the intervening

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years and and what about them are is

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vital I mean what what are you referring

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to okay these are all good questions

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Chris I would say know that feeling that

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I had from day one as I call it has

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never changed and it has only been

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confirmed after now what what are we at

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like 28 years later after having many

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more experiences with other crystal

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skulls after speaking to many other

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people all over the world who are having

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their own experiences it has not

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changed in the lease now as far as what

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I think is vital about them and of

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course anything that I say in this line

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is only going to be based on personal

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experiences and opinions because it's

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very difficult to prove exactly what the

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crystal skulls are I would say from a

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scientific perspective I think that what

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they really represent is they represent

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several things number one definitely

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computers from ancient cultures and

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civilizations or computers from let us

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call it off planet civilizations the

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modern computers that we use today of

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course are all using quartz crystals

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inside of them so the idea that these

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skulls are made from the same material

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gives us kind of a clue as far as what

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they're about now as far as the

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information goes a lot of this is either

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coming from indigenous tribes or people

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that have the crystal skulls or people

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who are sensitive or sensitive to

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telepathic information they're receiving

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from the skulls that are sensing that

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there is a tremendous amount of

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knowledge and information that somehow

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has been encoded inside of this go so I

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would say that part of the work that we

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do when there is an opportunity is to

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try to work with either sensitives or

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some means scientific means where we can

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try to figure out what is this

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information then there's the energy

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aspect of the crystal skulls which also

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seems to be affecting people in a very

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profound way such as healings that are

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going on of different illnesses or

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physical problems that they say are

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incurable and yet around the energy of

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this go these profound changes are

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happening then there's the other aspect

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of it which is trying to figure out who

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actually made them and where did they

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come from

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we're really dealing with a very simple

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subject it's a piece of quartz made into

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the shape of us go however once you

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start to get involved in it once you

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start to have your experiences once you

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start to talk to people all over the

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world you find out it's not such a

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simple subject boy I'll say

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just the very controversy surrounding

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the fact that these goals actually have

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been Man of

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and you know having seen quite a number

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of these artifacts myself you can tell

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when when one of these goals is in front

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of you and you can look at it you can

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see that the ones that appear more

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ancient appear to be a little rougher in

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their design and how do we know how

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these things work hard let's say an

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ancient Mayan was tasked with carving

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one of these skulls why don't you kind

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of share with our listeners a little bit

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what the state of the art thinking is on

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how they without metal tools were able

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to carve one of the harder substances

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found on the planet I mean quartz is

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what I think a high seven on the

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hardness scale how did they actually

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manufacture these skulls some of them

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for instance max the mitchell-hedges

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skull the British Museum skull these are

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incredibly just overpoweringly beautiful

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objects of art and how could an ancient

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primitive guy without metal have carved

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these things well this of course is one

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of the main questions which the only way

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that I can answer that is again based on

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different people who we've met whether

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they're indigenous sources or sensitives

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or people who have had past life recall

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of working with crystal skulls there's a

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bunch of different theories no first the

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listeners need to understand the modern

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skulls that are being carved now the

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Carver's are using diamond tip tools of

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course diamond is the hardest substance

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we know and I have watched the Carver's

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use that to cut through quartz like

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butter

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so obviously the modern skulls that are

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being carved today of which some are

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very very good carving we were

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interviewed in January for a show that

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should be coming you know like I believe

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it's going to be in the fall but we call

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the truth about crystal skulls on

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National Geographic when I went into the

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room for the interview I saw what look

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like mitchell-hedges ago sitting on the

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table in this hotel room and I thought

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oh man what that means in a moment we're

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talking to Joshua Shapiro of the topic

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crystal skulls I'm gene Steinberg the

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co-host is Chris O'Brien you're in

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fall asleep at his desk like he used to

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listening to the podcast the gold

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segment with the Crystal Skull acts /

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josh Josh Shapiro I'm Jean Steinberg the

640
00:27:34,980 --> 00:27:33,310
co-host Chris O'Brien you're in the

641
00:27:37,380 --> 00:27:34,990
power cast where we're trying to learn

642
00:27:40,590 --> 00:27:37,390
more about the crystal skulls now you

643
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:40,600
gave a name when you looked at this

644
00:27:45,900 --> 00:27:42,610
crystal skull that you saw what was that

645
00:27:48,300 --> 00:27:45,910
name referring to I was referring to the

646
00:27:49,860 --> 00:27:48,310
mitchell-hedges Crystal Skull what is

647
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:49,870
distinctive about that particular

648
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:52,810
Crystal Skull well that specific Crystal

649
00:27:57,090 --> 00:27:55,210
Skull is one of the first that had been

650
00:27:59,340 --> 00:27:57,100
brought up that is almost an exact

651
00:28:03,270 --> 00:27:59,350
duplicate of a human bone and skull it

652
00:28:05,610 --> 00:28:03,280
is very expertly carved so the reason I

653
00:28:08,820 --> 00:28:05,620
was bringing this up is that the modern

654
00:28:11,460 --> 00:28:08,830
carbon first today there was some

655
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:11,470
Chinese carvers who actually duplicated

656
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that to go for the television show and

657
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:16,630
what I was seeing was a copy and not the

658
00:28:20,820 --> 00:28:18,610
original one so what I'm trying to say

659
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:20,830
by this is that the very old crystal

660
00:28:25,260 --> 00:28:23,410
skulls which Chris was talking about the

661
00:28:27,510 --> 00:28:25,270
modern Carver's have the ability to

662
00:28:30,060 --> 00:28:27,520
duplicate it in form but not

663
00:28:33,060 --> 00:28:30,070
energetically now as far as possible

664
00:28:34,380 --> 00:28:33,070
theories that Chris asked me about how

665
00:28:37,290 --> 00:28:34,390
they might have been done in the past

666
00:28:39,780 --> 00:28:37,300
well I mean we've talked about the

667
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:39,790
possibility of them being in Atlantis

668
00:28:43,830 --> 00:28:41,410
there are a number of people who have

669
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:43,840
guest life memories of being in temple

670
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:46,210
is whether they saw crystal skulls I

671
00:28:51,810 --> 00:28:49,810
myself if one have had such a memory

672
00:28:54,390 --> 00:28:51,820
especially of a Blues go and I went

673
00:28:55,740 --> 00:28:54,400
looking for in Peru and I think that

674
00:28:58,140 --> 00:28:55,750
those girls could have been made

675
00:29:00,810 --> 00:28:58,150
possibly by lasers controlled by

676
00:29:02,220 --> 00:29:00,820
computers another person why do you

677
00:29:04,980 --> 00:29:02,230
think that we're talking about ancient

678
00:29:07,790 --> 00:29:04,990
skulls right yes right I think that

679
00:29:11,340 --> 00:29:07,800
because of the precise nature of the

680
00:29:13,500 --> 00:29:11,350
features if someone had access to be

681
00:29:15,210 --> 00:29:13,510
able to use a laser they could cut it

682
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:15,220
and carve it in whatever shape that they

683
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:19,090
wanted to so or the possibility and the

684
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:20,290
again I don't know if anyone else

685
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:21,850
adjusted this but I'm just thinking

686
00:29:24,300 --> 00:29:22,450
about it

687
00:29:27,330 --> 00:29:24,310
it's let's say these ancient

688
00:29:29,130 --> 00:29:27,340
civilizations had use of computers they

689
00:29:31,290 --> 00:29:29,140
could program a computer with a laser

690
00:29:32,670 --> 00:29:31,300
and it should be able to cut quartz

691
00:29:34,590 --> 00:29:32,680
crystal in whatever shape they would

692
00:29:37,020 --> 00:29:34,600
want it to be so this might be one

693
00:29:38,550 --> 00:29:37,030
possibility and one of the other people

694
00:29:40,470 --> 00:29:38,560
that we interviewed for our first book

695
00:29:42,930 --> 00:29:40,480
mystery of the crystal skulls revealed

696
00:29:45,780 --> 00:29:42,940
which I co-authored with after-hour Nick

697
00:29:47,550 --> 00:29:45,790
Nazareno and Sandra Bowen in that book

698
00:29:49,950 --> 00:29:47,560
we interviewed a gentleman named Michael

699
00:29:51,570 --> 00:29:49,960
Kent who was a very remarkable

700
00:29:55,380 --> 00:29:51,580
individual that came up with all kinds

701
00:29:57,510 --> 00:29:55,390
of ideas and he purported that some of

702
00:30:00,510 --> 00:29:57,520
other crystals girls may actually have

703
00:30:02,610 --> 00:30:00,520
been human skulls that they understood

704
00:30:04,830 --> 00:30:02,620
how to convert them into quartz crystal

705
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through some type of advanced technology

706
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:07,450
which I think he called marvel crystal

707
00:30:12,690 --> 00:30:10,330
and transformation and he said there

708
00:30:15,870 --> 00:30:12,700
were two types that were done one was

709
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where the Atlantean priests using the

710
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:18,370
power of their mind were able to shift

711
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:21,010
the molecular structure of the bone into

712
00:30:23,790 --> 00:30:22,690
crystal and then there was some other

713
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:23,800
technology

714
00:30:28,980 --> 00:30:26,530
he said they got possibly from the play

715
00:30:31,110 --> 00:30:28,990
against where and I don't remember

716
00:30:33,150 --> 00:30:31,120
exactly how he stated this but it was

717
00:30:36,510 --> 00:30:33,160
through the use of a technology again

718
00:30:38,940 --> 00:30:36,520
changing bone into crystal okay but this

719
00:30:40,740 --> 00:30:38,950
is just speculation how do we prove

720
00:30:44,220 --> 00:30:40,750
there's a realm of sci-fi here a little

721
00:30:46,950 --> 00:30:44,230
bit what do you think Josh oh I mean do

722
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:46,960
you fall for these unfounded sort of

723
00:30:50,850 --> 00:30:48,610
explanations or do you have a more

724
00:30:52,980 --> 00:30:50,860
mundane sense about this or you know

725
00:30:55,380 --> 00:30:52,990
what are your feelings well my feelings

726
00:30:57,750 --> 00:30:55,390
is is that just as the person at

727
00:30:59,370 --> 00:30:57,760
National Geographic asked me how

728
00:31:02,400 --> 00:30:59,380
scientists might feel about some of

729
00:31:04,350 --> 00:31:02,410
these things I only look at all the

730
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:04,360
possibilities I see myself Mars the

731
00:31:09,150 --> 00:31:07,330
clearinghouse and offer this like when

732
00:31:11,430 --> 00:31:09,160
we do our public talks or if we're

733
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:11,440
sharing information in books or things

734
00:31:16,740 --> 00:31:13,570
like that I offer these as possibilities

735
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:16,750
for each of the person who's reading or

736
00:31:21,630 --> 00:31:18,250
listening to make the decision

737
00:31:24,270 --> 00:31:21,640
themselves it's very obvious I think if

738
00:31:25,890 --> 00:31:24,280
you study and are open to looking at

739
00:31:28,260 --> 00:31:25,900
artifacts that have been discovered not

740
00:31:30,420 --> 00:31:28,270
just crystal skulls but the ancient

741
00:31:32,850 --> 00:31:30,430
artifacts very advanced artifacts that

742
00:31:35,370 --> 00:31:32,860
are being discovered with civilizations

743
00:31:37,380 --> 00:31:35,380
from the pens there's no doubt in my

744
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:37,390
mind that there have existed

745
00:31:42,930 --> 00:31:40,090
civilizations like Atlantis or Lemuria

746
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:42,940
who had technologies that probably are

747
00:31:46,710 --> 00:31:44,770
far more advanced than anything we have

748
00:31:49,350 --> 00:31:46,720
known yeah but that's still speculation

749
00:31:51,090 --> 00:31:49,360
Joshua that's still speculation they may

750
00:31:52,799 --> 00:31:51,100
be no doubt in your mind that these

751
00:31:55,380 --> 00:31:52,809
things occurred that there were advanced

752
00:31:57,090 --> 00:31:55,390
civilizations but you know people out

753
00:31:59,190 --> 00:31:57,100
there gonna say okay that's fine we've

754
00:32:01,440 --> 00:31:59,200
been reading about Atlantis for years we

755
00:32:03,870 --> 00:32:01,450
heard about Lemuria we've heard about

756
00:32:06,539 --> 00:32:03,880
all these ancient civilizations how do

757
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:06,549
we prove it there is there is really no

758
00:32:11,190 --> 00:32:09,010
way to prove it because the bottom line

759
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:11,200
is it depends upon what the person

760
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:13,210
believes in if the person absolutely

761
00:32:18,270 --> 00:32:15,490
refuses that any of these possibilities

762
00:32:20,159 --> 00:32:18,280
could exist they can disprove everything

763
00:32:21,210 --> 00:32:20,169
this is exactly what scientists have

764
00:32:23,070 --> 00:32:21,220
tried to do

765
00:32:24,990 --> 00:32:23,080
yes but Joshua I think you're kind of

766
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:25,000
putting the onus on the wrong party here

767
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:27,850
if you make a claim that there's an

768
00:32:32,250 --> 00:32:29,650
ancient civilization highly advanced

769
00:32:34,049 --> 00:32:32,260
first there's two factors here one there

770
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:34,059
is an ancient civilization yes or no

771
00:32:39,450 --> 00:32:36,730
once you determine that how advanced was

772
00:32:41,340 --> 00:32:39,460
that ancient civilization and then if

773
00:32:43,700 --> 00:32:41,350
you determine that if you can determine

774
00:32:45,419 --> 00:32:43,710
that then you can start looking at what

775
00:32:47,310 --> 00:32:45,429
inventions they may have come up with

776
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:47,320
but you know we're putting the cart

777
00:32:52,740 --> 00:32:49,210
before the horse here aren't we well I'm

778
00:32:54,659 --> 00:32:52,750
only offering possibilities what I think

779
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:54,669
is the most important thing related to

780
00:32:59,610 --> 00:32:57,250
the crystals goes it's not necessarily

781
00:33:02,340 --> 00:32:59,620
to determine how might these very old

782
00:33:04,590 --> 00:33:02,350
ones have been created but what is the

783
00:33:06,810 --> 00:33:04,600
effect energetically that they're having

784
00:33:09,299 --> 00:33:06,820
upon people are having contact with them

785
00:33:11,789 --> 00:33:09,309
in other words you can have objects that

786
00:33:13,919 --> 00:33:11,799
are very cold and ancient and we can

787
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:13,929
have many questions about how are they

788
00:33:18,060 --> 00:33:16,090
created and where did they come from but

789
00:33:21,030 --> 00:33:18,070
the most important thing is how do these

790
00:33:23,130 --> 00:33:21,040
objects affect people today what are

791
00:33:26,630 --> 00:33:23,140
they doing to people today and there are

792
00:33:29,070 --> 00:33:26,640
a lot of manifestations of healing and

793
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:29,080
advancing people's creative and

794
00:33:33,150 --> 00:33:31,330
spiritual gifts that are happening a lot

795
00:33:35,190 --> 00:33:33,160
and yet scientists and archaeologists

796
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:35,200
don't want to look at this because it's

797
00:33:40,710 --> 00:33:37,210
challenging some of their cherished

798
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:40,720
ideas about reality and physics and so

799
00:33:46,169 --> 00:33:43,570
on so the crystal skulls therefore stay

800
00:33:48,299 --> 00:33:46,179
a mystery and it just depends upon

801
00:33:50,909 --> 00:33:48,309
if there are people open and willing to

802
00:33:53,249 --> 00:33:50,919
try to use all means possible both

803
00:33:54,869 --> 00:33:53,259
paranormal and scientific to try to

804
00:33:56,489 --> 00:33:54,879
understand what they're about I

805
00:33:58,319 --> 00:33:56,499
understand what you're saying and I and

806
00:34:01,409 --> 00:33:58,329
I agree but you also have the reverse

807
00:34:03,479 --> 00:34:01,419
here as you may or may not be aware I

808
00:34:05,429 --> 00:34:03,489
was involved in a bit of a controversy

809
00:34:07,739 --> 00:34:05,439
back in the mid to late 90s about a

810
00:34:10,619 --> 00:34:07,749
glass skull that was found in Colorado

811
00:34:13,739 --> 00:34:10,629
and for a number of weeks it was quite

812
00:34:15,809 --> 00:34:13,749
quite a it was quite a cause celeb and

813
00:34:19,409 --> 00:34:15,819
it generated quite a bit of interest

814
00:34:21,389 --> 00:34:19,419
from people and we had Chandler's it

815
00:34:23,309 --> 00:34:21,399
would sit one woman's out for two days

816
00:34:25,499 --> 00:34:23,319
in front of it and retrieve all this

817
00:34:27,839 --> 00:34:25,509
incredible information about Atlantis

818
00:34:30,509 --> 00:34:27,849
and about even even I was in this

819
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pantheon of channel material I was some

820
00:34:35,039 --> 00:34:32,889
warrior there sent there to protect the

821
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skull and find it and bring it to the

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world and and of course you know I am an

823
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investigator so I did quite a bit of

824
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digging on this and was able to find

825
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that it was actually an accident and it

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was put there as a talisman by the

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family of a glassblower who lived in

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Denver and it was one of his rejects and

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he said put this this will bring you

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good luck so they buried it on the

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corner their pastor and the neighbor

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00:35:00,410 --> 00:34:58,299
found it so the it turned out to be you

833
00:35:04,140 --> 00:35:00,420
know how quite a mundane you know

834
00:35:06,809 --> 00:35:04,150
explanation but boy I wrote down some of

835
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the amazing stories in being the the

836
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insights of people God looking into this

837
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thing as a you know almost crying with

838
00:35:18,390 --> 00:35:15,130
it and and and so you know an object can

839
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produce very profound thoughts and

840
00:35:23,670 --> 00:35:20,619
feelings but it doesn't necessarily have

841
00:35:25,859 --> 00:35:23,680
to be an ancient skull to do that so I'm

842
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trying to reconcile your your

843
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explanation with a personal example of

844
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this happening to quite a mundane object

845
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right we we are having people who are

846
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having experiences with the new skulls

847
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as well as the ancient skulls and

848
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sometimes what happens is just like with

849
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computers for example are able to pass

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different information video audio etc

851
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we're seeing the same thing that's

852
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happening with crystal skulls where our

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new skull is being put into the presence

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of what many believe

855
00:36:00,900 --> 00:35:59,080
could be an older one and energy and

856
00:36:02,820 --> 00:36:00,910
information is being passed and then

857
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phenomenon starting to happen or

858
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:06,630
so this is all part of the mystery and

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the things that we try to research and

860
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basically the point of view that I come

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from is to share the best information we

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971
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we're talking to Joshua Shapiro about

972
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crystal skulls now you were talking

973
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about this phenomenon that evidently

974
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might be occurring with crystal skulls

975
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where people are able to harness more

976
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977
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is would those powers if real be

978
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available even without the crystal skull

979
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maybe it's just a focal point but not

980
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necessarily embedded with weird

981
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properties well I think we have many

982
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different tools that are available to us

983
00:41:55,660 --> 00:41:54,050
today crystal skulls being one I mean

984
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there are a lot of people who are using

985
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for its crystals to help themselves in

986
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different common beings have the

987
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potential to do anything that we can

988
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imagine within ourselves and this comes

989
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from more of a spiritual beliefs that I

990
00:42:17,860 --> 00:42:15,530
have so whether the crystal skulls is

991
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just the catalyst that helps someone to

992
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discover more of their creative

993
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abilities there are spiritual gifts

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insights about past lives or how they

995
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can be of service using spiritual gifts

996
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for the planet I think it's all very

997
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important I think right now we live in a

998
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time where all of this kind of

999
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information and knowledge is just coming

1000
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forward and people have an opportunity

1001
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just like on the Internet whenever

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subjects you want to know about throw in

1003
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a couple of keywords to Google and

1004
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you're gonna find there's all kinds of

1005
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information that's available the main

1006
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question I would say is are the crystal

1007
00:42:58,510 --> 00:42:56,000
skulls is the key tool as I have found

1008
00:42:59,980 --> 00:42:58,520
through my experience you know why are

1009
00:43:03,310 --> 00:42:59,990
they important why should people know

1010
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:03,320
about them and usually the best answer I

1011
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can give about that is for someone who

1012
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finds something that seems of interest

1013
00:43:13,330 --> 00:43:10,460
or they're curious about it to go and

1014
00:43:15,850 --> 00:43:13,340
seek to have their own experience now if

1015
00:43:17,650 --> 00:43:15,860
I and my partner Katrina were the only

1016
00:43:19,310 --> 00:43:17,660
ones who were having experiences around

1017
00:43:21,500 --> 00:43:19,320
the crystal skulls

1018
00:43:24,470 --> 00:43:21,510
then I would say well this this would be

1019
00:43:27,020 --> 00:43:24,480
a good question challenge but what we're

1020
00:43:30,470 --> 00:43:27,030
finding is is since we've had a website

1021
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:30,480
out there for Crystal Skull since 1995

1022
00:43:35,420 --> 00:43:33,210
where almost every week just hearing

1023
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:35,430
from people all over the world who are

1024
00:43:39,250 --> 00:43:37,410
having contact with crystal skulls that

1025
00:43:42,500 --> 00:43:39,260
are sharing with us about their

1026
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:42,510
experiences and it would take probably

1027
00:43:48,110 --> 00:43:45,210
several lifetimes just to try to keep up

1028
00:43:50,900 --> 00:43:48,120
with all the experiences and the new

1029
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:50,910
skulls that are coming out the main

1030
00:43:56,090 --> 00:43:53,010
thing that I would say that seems to be

1031
00:43:58,850 --> 00:43:56,100
consistent with the crystal skulls is an

1032
00:44:00,920 --> 00:43:58,860
energy field that's around them if they

1033
00:44:03,710 --> 00:44:00,930
are what I would call an activated

1034
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:03,720
crystal stone okay how do you measure an

1035
00:44:08,630 --> 00:44:06,210
energy field can it be measured do you

1036
00:44:11,330 --> 00:44:08,640
feel it can you actually take scientific

1037
00:44:13,610 --> 00:44:11,340
instrumentation and see well there's

1038
00:44:16,010 --> 00:44:13,620
something coming out of that thing yes

1039
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:16,020
there are actually devices where you can

1040
00:44:21,820 --> 00:44:19,410
actually measure energy I recall we did

1041
00:44:25,070 --> 00:44:21,830
one experiment just to give an example

1042
00:44:27,410 --> 00:44:25,080
where we said okay if the crystal skulls

1043
00:44:31,490 --> 00:44:27,420
have these energy fields around it

1044
00:44:33,470 --> 00:44:31,500
could it impact a crop circle because

1045
00:44:36,370 --> 00:44:33,480
many of the crop circle researcher are

1046
00:44:38,540 --> 00:44:36,380
using different electromagnetic energy

1047
00:44:41,450 --> 00:44:38,550
devices that are able to measure

1048
00:44:43,790 --> 00:44:41,460
frequencies that are in the field so

1049
00:44:45,890 --> 00:44:43,800
what we did is we walked around the

1050
00:44:47,750 --> 00:44:45,900
field did a measurement of it first and

1051
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:47,760
then we brought a crystal skull in one

1052
00:44:51,860 --> 00:44:49,650
of the crystal skulls that we personally

1053
00:44:54,530 --> 00:44:51,870
have which is a new skull done by a

1054
00:44:56,240 --> 00:44:54,540
master carver in Brazil called portal

1055
00:44:59,270 --> 00:44:56,250
Buddhist portal of light in it in

1056
00:45:02,180 --> 00:44:59,280
question and this is the experience that

1057
00:45:03,980 --> 00:45:02,190
happened to us when we first measured

1058
00:45:08,180 --> 00:45:03,990
the energy at the centre of the crop

1059
00:45:10,430 --> 00:45:08,190
circle the energy was zero however when

1060
00:45:13,610 --> 00:45:10,440
we placed the crystal skull inside of it

1061
00:45:17,540 --> 00:45:13,620
three of us saw within the crystal skull

1062
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:17,550
it looked like a and how can I explain

1063
00:45:23,330 --> 00:45:20,010
it an energy swirling in and swirling

1064
00:45:25,610 --> 00:45:23,340
out so from my approximation of watching

1065
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:25,620
that the crystal skull in a way was

1066
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:27,810
showing us that the reason why the

1067
00:45:32,570 --> 00:45:30,330
electromagnetic energy was zero at the

1068
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:32,580
center of the crop circle was because

1069
00:45:36,319 --> 00:45:33,450
this energy

1070
00:45:37,940 --> 00:45:36,329
swirling in and out negating itself so

1071
00:45:40,310 --> 00:45:37,950
then the next question was could the

1072
00:45:42,650 --> 00:45:40,320
crystal skull itself changed that energy

1073
00:45:44,810 --> 00:45:42,660
field in the center of the crop circle

1074
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:44,820
so we put it in there by itself without

1075
00:45:49,609 --> 00:45:46,650
actually working with it or doing

1076
00:45:51,890 --> 00:45:49,619
anything and the energy state zero now

1077
00:45:54,170 --> 00:45:51,900
as crazy as this may sound to some of

1078
00:45:56,720 --> 00:45:54,180
your listeners we have a personal

1079
00:45:58,730 --> 00:45:56,730
relationship with our crystal skulls and

1080
00:46:01,550 --> 00:45:58,740
they actually talk to us we hear them

1081
00:46:04,130 --> 00:46:01,560
telepathically this particular crystals

1082
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:04,140
go had suggested to me that the next

1083
00:46:08,510 --> 00:46:06,210
time that I went to a crop circle with

1084
00:46:10,730 --> 00:46:08,520
him I should meditate with him with a

1085
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music that he seems to like which is

1086
00:46:14,839 --> 00:46:12,900
Pancho Bell's cannon and beam all right

1087
00:46:16,910 --> 00:46:14,849
wait a minute here okay so the Crystal

1088
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:16,920
Skull is sending you telepathic messages

1089
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:19,290
you know it's a male yes because it says

1090
00:46:24,380 --> 00:46:21,810
so or it doesn't have a male voice no I

1091
00:46:26,690 --> 00:46:24,390
do not hear the voice like some people

1092
00:46:29,150 --> 00:46:26,700
hear the voice I hear it in my thinking

1093
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:29,160
voice okay in other words it's like

1094
00:46:33,500 --> 00:46:31,770
these thoughts are coming in and they're

1095
00:46:36,020 --> 00:46:33,510
not my thoughts but they're coming from

1096
00:46:38,569 --> 00:46:36,030
someone so I've just learned that this

1097
00:46:41,690 --> 00:46:38,579
is the communication from portal use and

1098
00:46:44,150 --> 00:46:41,700
when I work with him I feel a male

1099
00:46:47,030 --> 00:46:44,160
presence because my spiritual gift is I

1100
00:46:49,700 --> 00:46:47,040
feel energy this is what I use when we

1101
00:46:52,550 --> 00:46:49,710
do our crystal skull session so anyway

1102
00:46:55,130 --> 00:46:52,560
he was suggesting to meditate with this

1103
00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:55,140
music so what I did is I sat down with

1104
00:47:00,440 --> 00:46:57,690
him I put on my headphones I had a CD

1105
00:47:03,140 --> 00:47:00,450
player and meditated with the music now

1106
00:47:04,849 --> 00:47:03,150
this is what happened to me as soon as I

1107
00:47:06,650 --> 00:47:04,859
started to meditate with him with the

1108
00:47:09,470 --> 00:47:06,660
music right next to the center of the

1109
00:47:12,589 --> 00:47:09,480
crop circle I started to feel like a

1110
00:47:15,020 --> 00:47:12,599
cone of energy surrounding me my eyelid

1111
00:47:17,180 --> 00:47:15,030
started to flutter very quickly without

1112
00:47:20,450 --> 00:47:17,190
my doing anything I just automatically

1113
00:47:22,849 --> 00:47:20,460
happened and then I attempted to also

1114
00:47:24,650 --> 00:47:22,859
sing with that song and the people who

1115
00:47:26,750 --> 00:47:24,660
were around me while he was doing the

1116
00:47:27,349 --> 00:47:26,760
meditation said what song are you

1117
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:27,359
singing

1118
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:31,410
in D and they said no we don't recognize

1119
00:47:37,220 --> 00:47:34,650
that song after I completed this process

1120
00:47:39,670 --> 00:47:37,230
we then put the crystals go into the

1121
00:47:41,990 --> 00:47:39,680
center of the crop circle and the

1122
00:47:45,260 --> 00:47:42,000
electromagnetic meter jumped off the

1123
00:47:47,359 --> 00:47:45,270
scale so what I believe happened is of

1124
00:47:49,069 --> 00:47:47,369
working with the crystal skull possibly

1125
00:47:51,380 --> 00:47:49,079
because it was my own crystal scope

1126
00:47:53,299 --> 00:47:51,390
usually guardians of crystal Scouts have

1127
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:53,309
a personal relationship where they can

1128
00:47:58,039 --> 00:47:55,170
activate their crystal skulls and

1129
00:48:01,400 --> 00:47:58,049
staying in this energy pattern of the

1130
00:48:04,309 --> 00:48:01,410
crop circle using the music we were able

1131
00:48:05,870 --> 00:48:04,319
to create some energy or we interacted

1132
00:48:08,359 --> 00:48:05,880
with some energy there and we actually

1133
00:48:10,519 --> 00:48:08,369
changed the energy that was in the

1134
00:48:12,140 --> 00:48:10,529
center of the crop circle the other

1135
00:48:14,450 --> 00:48:12,150
thing that we have done to measure

1136
00:48:17,509 --> 00:48:14,460
energy of crystal skulls is we have

1137
00:48:19,670 --> 00:48:17,519
worked with Meridian stress test systems

1138
00:48:23,420 --> 00:48:19,680
what if the listener doesn't know what

1139
00:48:25,700 --> 00:48:23,430
this is this is a device that has been

1140
00:48:28,819 --> 00:48:25,710
developed where you take an electrode

1141
00:48:30,589 --> 00:48:28,829
and you touch a lot meridian points on

1142
00:48:34,670 --> 00:48:30,599
the body usually on the hands and the

1143
00:48:37,069 --> 00:48:34,680
feet and if 50% of the small electrical

1144
00:48:39,589 --> 00:48:37,079
impulse goes through it means that

1145
00:48:40,130 --> 00:48:39,599
particular Meridian is in perfect

1146
00:48:42,529 --> 00:48:40,140
balance

1147
00:48:45,170 --> 00:48:42,539
if it is above or below it it could be

1148
00:48:47,299 --> 00:48:45,180
an illness to that particular Meridian

1149
00:48:49,730 --> 00:48:47,309
which is usually linked to an organ in

1150
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:49,740
the body or a system in the body or it

1151
00:48:54,319 --> 00:48:51,930
could be some kind of tension so what

1152
00:48:56,450 --> 00:48:54,329
we've also done too is we've worked with

1153
00:48:58,849 --> 00:48:56,460
portal Deleuze and also for the sci-fi

1154
00:49:01,609 --> 00:48:58,859
channel which they did not air on their

1155
00:49:03,170 --> 00:49:01,619
two-hour documentary we also used it

1156
00:49:05,210 --> 00:49:03,180
with the mitchell-hedges Crystal Star

1157
00:49:08,180 --> 00:49:05,220
let me ask you a question here why

1158
00:49:10,190 --> 00:49:08,190
didn't the sci-fi channel air that just

1159
00:49:11,690 --> 00:49:10,200
because of time constraints or what well

1160
00:49:14,329 --> 00:49:11,700
I don't know I'm not the sci-fi channel

1161
00:49:16,729 --> 00:49:14,339
if I was to guess I would say either the

1162
00:49:20,210 --> 00:49:16,739
explanation of the results of that test

1163
00:49:21,710 --> 00:49:20,220
would probably not be easy to explain to

1164
00:49:24,710 --> 00:49:21,720
people because I had to use a lot of

1165
00:49:26,900 --> 00:49:24,720
numbers to explain it or they just felt

1166
00:49:29,089 --> 00:49:26,910
that they had other information because

1167
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:29,099
remember whenever a production company

1168
00:49:33,470 --> 00:49:31,170
does interviews like let's say they do

1169
00:49:35,749 --> 00:49:33,480
10 hours of interview they only have one

1170
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:35,759
or two hours to show so they have to cut

1171
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:37,650
out most of what they're interviewing

1172
00:49:41,839 --> 00:49:39,930
they gave no explanation to make why

1173
00:49:43,999 --> 00:49:41,849
they didn't include that research but

1174
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:44,009
what I'm saying is we have used other

1175
00:49:50,089 --> 00:49:47,249
devices to see not to measure the energy

1176
00:49:52,519 --> 00:49:50,099
but what is the effect of this go upon

1177
00:49:55,069 --> 00:49:52,529
the individual and in this case when we

1178
00:49:57,739 --> 00:49:55,079
use the Meridian stress test system the

1179
00:49:59,749 --> 00:49:57,749
individuals were blindfolded because

1180
00:50:00,250 --> 00:49:59,759
whatever item they're tested with it's

1181
00:50:02,230 --> 00:50:00,260
put

1182
00:50:04,780 --> 00:50:02,240
to the machine and it measures the

1183
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:04,790
effect of that object against the

1184
00:50:07,870 --> 00:50:06,290
individual so they don't know what

1185
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:07,880
they're being tested with but these

1186
00:50:12,430 --> 00:50:10,490
machines are extremely accurate because

1187
00:50:14,890 --> 00:50:12,440
not only did they show you what's wrong

1188
00:50:18,490 --> 00:50:14,900
but some of the machines are also able

1189
00:50:22,060 --> 00:50:18,500
to give remedies to your situation like

1190
00:50:24,460 --> 00:50:22,070
certain material vitamins to take or

1191
00:50:26,380 --> 00:50:24,470
certain types of food to take etc the

1192
00:50:29,650 --> 00:50:26,390
medical doctors in Europe use these

1193
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:29,660
devices quite extensively and here in

1194
00:50:34,390 --> 00:50:31,970
America I'm not sure if the AMA has

1195
00:50:36,790 --> 00:50:34,400
approved the devices for our middle

1196
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:36,800
have there been double-blind tests to

1197
00:50:42,190 --> 00:50:38,930
see whether this technique actually

1198
00:50:45,010 --> 00:50:42,200
works well the test that we've been able

1199
00:50:47,140 --> 00:50:45,020
to do now remember in order for us to do

1200
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:47,150
this test number one we have to find an

1201
00:50:51,820 --> 00:50:49,490
individual who has the device that's

1202
00:50:54,670 --> 00:50:51,830
willing to let us use it and also to

1203
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:54,680
also be able to find volunteers so what

1204
00:50:59,320 --> 00:50:56,330
we've done is we've done these tests

1205
00:51:01,480 --> 00:50:59,330
both in America and in Europe we've done

1206
00:51:03,790 --> 00:51:01,490
it with all kinds of people and we

1207
00:51:06,460 --> 00:51:03,800
basically get the same results when the

1208
00:51:08,500 --> 00:51:06,470
Crystal Skull is introduced with these

1209
00:51:11,260 --> 00:51:08,510
portal balloons that was the main one we

1210
00:51:13,540 --> 00:51:11,270
used 90% of the readings were either the

1211
00:51:15,250 --> 00:51:13,550
same or better than what's called a

1212
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:15,260
baseline reading where the person was

1213
00:51:19,660 --> 00:51:17,090
you know just being measured and there

1214
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:19,670
was nothing put onto the device we also

1215
00:51:24,490 --> 00:51:22,370
used it to measure it against the same

1216
00:51:26,620 --> 00:51:24,500
type of quartz crystal as the skull we

1217
00:51:29,020 --> 00:51:26,630
were testing and that piece of quartz

1218
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:29,030
crystal never did as well as the

1219
00:51:33,340 --> 00:51:31,370
crystals go so it's always the shape of

1220
00:51:35,260 --> 00:51:33,350
the skull we'll get into more of this in

1221
00:51:37,330 --> 00:51:35,270
a moment Joshua Shapiro joining us the

1222
00:51:41,250 --> 00:51:37,340
co-host is Chris O'Brien I'm gene

1223
00:51:47,140 --> 00:51:41,260
Steinberg you're in the para cast

1224
00:51:52,390 --> 00:51:49,710
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1225
00:51:54,670 --> 00:51:52,400
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1226
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1227
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1228
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1231
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1232
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1234
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1238
00:52:21,010 --> 00:52:18,380
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1239
00:52:22,299 --> 00:52:21,020
that's juicy and live.com hi this is Ted

1240
00:52:24,339 --> 00:52:22,309
Anderson have you ever wondered why

1241
00:52:25,990 --> 00:52:24,349
banks stockbrokers investment advisors

1242
00:52:28,029 --> 00:52:26,000
won't talk about gold IRAs

1243
00:52:29,770 --> 00:52:28,039
they've been available since 1986 yet

1244
00:52:31,900 --> 00:52:29,780
the financial industry won't recognize

1245
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:31,910
the value of gold free retirement call

1246
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:34,010
this outperform paper investments yet no

1247
00:52:48,599 --> 00:52:35,930
word about IRAs if you would like to

1248
00:52:48,609 --> 00:53:05,880
806-853-9949

1249
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:08,500
we have of Chris O'Brien the co-host I'm

1250
00:53:13,990 --> 00:53:11,330
gene Steinberg the subject on the table

1251
00:53:15,670 --> 00:53:14,000
this week is crystal skulls it's a topic

1252
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:15,680
we haven't explored previously on the

1253
00:53:19,420 --> 00:53:17,450
power cast and obviously lots and lots

1254
00:53:22,630 --> 00:53:19,430
of questions and we'll go through them

1255
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:22,640
Joshua's apuro is the gasps Joshua you

1256
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:24,170
have a website where you cover this

1257
00:53:29,500 --> 00:53:26,090
subject can you tell us about it

1258
00:53:32,380 --> 00:53:29,510
certainly it's who is Joshua Shapiro

1259
00:53:35,859 --> 00:53:32,390
comm this website has been around since

1260
00:53:38,950 --> 00:53:35,869
1995 what we have on the website is of

1261
00:53:41,500 --> 00:53:38,960
course articles we have a free ebook

1262
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:41,510
people can get or we also have a free

1263
00:53:46,210 --> 00:53:44,090
newsletter and basically what we do is

1264
00:53:48,310 --> 00:53:46,220
we try to keep up to date on different

1265
00:53:50,260 --> 00:53:48,320
aspects related to the crystal skulls

1266
00:53:51,790 --> 00:53:50,270
well I want to go back to the experiment

1267
00:53:53,820 --> 00:53:51,800
that you did in the crop circle first of

1268
00:53:57,130 --> 00:53:53,830
all I'm sure you're aware Joshua that

1269
00:53:59,140 --> 00:53:57,140
it's pretty much I think of foregone

1270
00:54:03,160 --> 00:53:59,150
conclusion now that a majority of crop

1271
00:54:06,910 --> 00:54:03,170
circles are done by people by artists

1272
00:54:08,980 --> 00:54:06,920
out in fields that the true crop circles

1273
00:54:11,650 --> 00:54:08,990
are if there are any are pretty few and

1274
00:54:14,109 --> 00:54:11,660
far between I'm curious where was the

1275
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:14,119
crop circle that you you went in and did

1276
00:54:18,190 --> 00:54:16,010
this experiment and do you remember the

1277
00:54:20,980 --> 00:54:18,200
formation they all end up getting named

1278
00:54:25,780 --> 00:54:20,990
something do you recall the crop circle

1279
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:25,790
was near Avebury it was also near what

1280
00:54:30,730 --> 00:54:28,850
they call a mound of prior civilization

1281
00:54:34,990 --> 00:54:30,740
they have mounts in England at different

1282
00:54:38,950 --> 00:54:35,000
civilizations and its form was believed

1283
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:38,960
it was in a union that one how long ago

1284
00:54:40,780 --> 00:54:39,290
was that

1285
00:54:44,050 --> 00:54:40,790
it was about five years ago six years

1286
00:54:47,260 --> 00:54:44,060
ago no I think it was longer than that I

1287
00:54:49,210 --> 00:54:47,270
think it was probably trying to remember

1288
00:54:55,390 --> 00:54:49,220
so many years have guessed I would say

1289
00:54:57,180 --> 00:54:55,400
it was probably 2003 or four okay what

1290
00:55:01,390 --> 00:54:57,190
sort of device were you using to measure

1291
00:55:04,270 --> 00:55:01,400
changes in the EM field the crop circle

1292
00:55:07,690 --> 00:55:04,280
researcher had a device that had a meter

1293
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:07,700
on it it went from I think plus 90 to

1294
00:55:12,820 --> 00:55:09,890
minus 90 and it was sensitive to

1295
00:55:14,830 --> 00:55:12,830
electromagnetic energy it was like a

1296
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:14,840
Trifield meter in other words and so I

1297
00:55:20,260 --> 00:55:17,410
don't know the exact name because I'm

1298
00:55:23,020 --> 00:55:20,270
scientist I can only describe it what I

1299
00:55:26,620 --> 00:55:23,030
can tell you is is that yes we walked

1300
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:26,630
into this crop circle wherever there was

1301
00:55:31,990 --> 00:55:29,450
a pattern that was created inside of the

1302
00:55:34,270 --> 00:55:32,000
crop circle that the meter registered

1303
00:55:36,670 --> 00:55:34,280
and would change its value and then when

1304
00:55:38,110 --> 00:55:36,680
we walked around where the the crop was

1305
00:55:40,330 --> 00:55:38,120
it's natural state

1306
00:55:42,820 --> 00:55:40,340
it was always zero so that was one thing

1307
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:42,830
that I remember there is a story this

1308
00:55:48,310 --> 00:55:45,170
researcher told me that I'd like to

1309
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:48,320
share because I'd like to because I've

1310
00:55:51,970 --> 00:55:50,210
been in crop circles and the way in

1311
00:55:54,820 --> 00:55:51,980
which I tell whether they're fake or

1312
00:55:57,700 --> 00:55:54,830
real is because there is an energy field

1313
00:56:00,190 --> 00:55:57,710
that I experience in the real world and

1314
00:56:03,430 --> 00:56:00,200
how I experience that energy field is

1315
00:56:05,830 --> 00:56:03,440
when I walk against it I actually feel a

1316
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:05,840
pressure on my body and some people

1317
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:08,810
actually become dizzy and when I walk

1318
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:11,090
with it I don't feel that pressure I

1319
00:56:15,670 --> 00:56:13,610
have also been in fake crop circles in

1320
00:56:17,980 --> 00:56:15,680
England and I didn't feel in an energy

1321
00:56:20,050 --> 00:56:17,990
like that at all the story I will tell

1322
00:56:22,570 --> 00:56:20,060
you from this crop circle researcher is

1323
00:56:25,270 --> 00:56:22,580
he said Parliament had a meeting one day

1324
00:56:27,220 --> 00:56:25,280
about crop circles and they said all the

1325
00:56:29,350 --> 00:56:27,230
crop circles being created are being

1326
00:56:31,540 --> 00:56:29,360
done by these two or three guys it's

1327
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:31,550
because the people who owned the land

1328
00:56:36,010 --> 00:56:33,650
where the crop circles disappearing they

1329
00:56:37,660 --> 00:56:36,020
have no security at all so people can

1330
00:56:40,900 --> 00:56:37,670
just walk on there and do whatever they

1331
00:56:43,630 --> 00:56:40,910
want in the very next day after that on

1332
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:43,640
a secret military base in England the

1333
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:45,650
crop circle appeared after that meeting

1334
00:56:49,180 --> 00:56:47,810
so this is a true story that was

1335
00:56:52,030 --> 00:56:49,190
happened in England

1336
00:56:54,250 --> 00:56:52,040
so whether crop circles are real or not

1337
00:56:56,140 --> 00:56:54,260
some of the patterns I believe are so

1338
00:56:58,420 --> 00:56:56,150
sophisticated and complicated I don't

1339
00:57:00,460 --> 00:56:58,430
know how people could go out and one

1340
00:57:02,950 --> 00:57:00,470
night and make them and some are very

1341
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:02,960
huge so but you are correct there are

1342
00:57:07,210 --> 00:57:04,490
people who are going out there and

1343
00:57:10,630 --> 00:57:07,220
making them to try to contest this but

1344
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:10,640
anyway this was the experience that we

1345
00:57:15,340 --> 00:57:13,130
had in the crop circle and we did we did

1346
00:57:17,950 --> 00:57:15,350
do another test in another crop circle

1347
00:57:20,470 --> 00:57:17,960
and got some different results using

1348
00:57:23,410 --> 00:57:20,480
some device that measured the ley lines

1349
00:57:26,260 --> 00:57:23,420
which are the earth energy lines there

1350
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:26,270
was a energy line coming in where we

1351
00:57:30,599 --> 00:57:28,490
were measuring a person meditating with

1352
00:57:33,029 --> 00:57:30,609
this cow that split in two

1353
00:57:35,579 --> 00:57:33,039
pieces according to the researcher but

1354
00:57:37,079 --> 00:57:35,589
again how I can prove that I don't know

1355
00:57:40,410 --> 00:57:37,089
because he was the one that had the

1356
00:57:43,019 --> 00:57:40,420
device and I trusted him yes he is a

1357
00:57:46,140 --> 00:57:43,029
reputable crop-circle researcher well

1358
00:57:49,789 --> 00:57:46,150
this I I really applaud you in being

1359
00:57:52,769 --> 00:57:49,799
creative and coming up with ways to help

1360
00:57:55,769 --> 00:57:52,779
you know focus in and identify some of

1361
00:57:58,799 --> 00:57:55,779
the energetic properties of these skulls

1362
00:58:01,289 --> 00:57:58,809
I have been around them I don't consider

1363
00:58:03,479 --> 00:58:01,299
myself to be overly sensitive by any

1364
00:58:05,930 --> 00:58:03,489
stretch but I do I have developed some

1365
00:58:09,529 --> 00:58:05,940
sensitivities and and and you're right

1366
00:58:12,539 --> 00:58:09,539
max for instance the Johanna Park skull

1367
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:12,549
has a real palpable sense of energy

1368
00:58:17,190 --> 00:58:15,730
around it I didn't get that sense as

1369
00:58:19,650 --> 00:58:17,200
much with the mitchell-hedges skull

1370
00:58:22,410 --> 00:58:19,660
although as a as a work of art it's just

1371
00:58:24,210 --> 00:58:22,420
it's just absolutely incredible other

1372
00:58:27,479 --> 00:58:24,220
crystal skulls that I've been around

1373
00:58:29,910 --> 00:58:27,489
that I feel have a real good possibility

1374
00:58:31,710 --> 00:58:29,920
being genuine ancient skulls I I have

1375
00:58:33,749 --> 00:58:31,720
felt in incense

1376
00:58:35,430 --> 00:58:33,759
some something about them whether I

1377
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:35,440
could come up with a way to measure that

1378
00:58:42,239 --> 00:58:38,890
or come up with a way to to quantify

1379
00:58:44,670 --> 00:58:42,249
that somehow is another question

1380
00:58:46,559 --> 00:58:44,680
entirely but you know you you've worked

1381
00:58:48,599 --> 00:58:46,569
with these skulls for many years

1382
00:58:50,220 --> 00:58:48,609
others like Steven Mahler of course Nick

1383
00:58:52,410 --> 00:58:50,230
no Serena when he was alive as worked

1384
00:58:55,289 --> 00:58:52,420
with these skulls let's let's look at

1385
00:58:57,120 --> 00:58:55,299
some of the more famous skulls and get

1386
00:58:59,249 --> 00:58:57,130
your take on them for instance probably

1387
00:59:01,700 --> 00:58:59,259
the most famous would be the Mike

1388
00:59:05,370 --> 00:59:01,710
mitchell-hedges skull supposedly found

1389
00:59:08,599 --> 00:59:05,380
according to his daughter by her on her

1390
00:59:10,529 --> 00:59:08,609
birthday I think in 1920 something

1391
00:59:12,749 --> 00:59:10,539
there's been quite a bit of

1392
00:59:16,529 --> 00:59:12,759
consciousness one question Chris found

1393
00:59:17,910 --> 00:59:16,539
how well he was doing a dig Lebon tomb I

1394
00:59:21,410 --> 00:59:17,920
think is how you pronounce it

1395
00:59:23,670 --> 00:59:21,420
which I believe was in Belize and

1396
00:59:26,309 --> 00:59:23,680
there's some question to whether this

1397
00:59:27,930 --> 00:59:26,319
thing was actually found there our first

1398
00:59:33,359 --> 00:59:27,940
mention of it really didn't occur until

1399
00:59:35,460 --> 00:59:33,369
his mitchell-hedges novel white tiger it

1400
00:59:38,279 --> 00:59:35,470
was never reported as part of the actual

1401
00:59:40,470 --> 00:59:38,289
finds from the expedition it kind of

1402
00:59:42,150 --> 00:59:40,480
appeared later on there's been quite a

1403
00:59:43,849 --> 00:59:42,160
bit of controversy I think within the

1404
00:59:45,819 --> 00:59:43,859
crop the

1405
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skull community for instance about

1406
00:59:50,569 --> 00:59:48,239
whether it is actually an ancient skull

1407
00:59:52,130 --> 00:59:50,579
there's some Steven mailer being one

1408
00:59:55,549 --> 00:59:52,140
things that it was actually carved in

1409
00:59:57,259 --> 00:59:55,559
Germany in the 1850s that Mitchell

1410
01:00:00,349 --> 00:59:57,269
hedges may have acquired it through a

1411
01:00:03,039 --> 01:00:00,359
collection down in Mexico and then

1412
01:00:05,660 --> 01:00:03,049
brought it out and the story kind of

1413
01:00:07,099 --> 01:00:05,670
ballooned around it of course his

1414
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daughter Anna mitchell-hedges claims

1415
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that she found it there is some

1416
01:00:13,549 --> 01:00:12,180
controversy around that particular skull

1417
01:00:15,229 --> 01:00:13,559
what is your take Josh I'm sure you

1418
01:00:19,220 --> 01:00:15,239
research this I'm sure you've talked

1419
01:00:21,799 --> 01:00:19,230
with Joanna at some point or Anna whose

1420
01:00:24,170 --> 01:00:21,809
I think now passed on and of course Bill

1421
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:24,180
home and is now the custodian of the

1422
01:00:29,569 --> 01:00:26,130
skull what are your feelings about that

1423
01:00:31,549 --> 01:00:29,579
most famous of these skulls well to be

1424
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:31,559
perfectly honest of all the ones that

1425
01:00:36,650 --> 01:00:33,930
I've seen I've seen an awful lot and I

1426
01:00:38,749 --> 01:00:36,660
have no idea anymore how many that is

1427
01:00:41,089 --> 01:00:38,759
this crystal skull that has affected me

1428
01:00:43,970 --> 01:00:41,099
the most powerfully there was an

1429
01:00:45,859 --> 01:00:43,980
opportunity when the Indiana Jones film

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came out I had a chance to work with

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01:00:52,039 --> 01:00:49,470
Bill Holman in 2008 and I was given

1432
01:00:54,380 --> 01:00:52,049
permission finally to have a personal

1433
01:00:56,749 --> 01:00:54,390
experience with it and that experience

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totally changed me and blew my mind so

1435
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for me I find it to be a very powerful

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okay totally blew your mind I think

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we're gonna want to go into the

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mind-blowing details about why you felt

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this was so important to you that could

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be in our next segment if you have

1441
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questions or comments about the show

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send them to news at the Peres cast calm

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once again that's news at the parent

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cast calm now in fact before we even go

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to that next segment I really want to

1446
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explore this okay so you're a blown away

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how well I have to give you the set up

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how I did my meditation I have to

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interrupt you about a minute into it but

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go ahead let's do the set up and

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continue in our next segment sir

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so the Crystal Skull is sipping on Anna

1453
01:01:49,819 --> 01:01:47,339
Mitchell hedges table I'm kneeling in

1454
01:01:51,829 --> 01:01:49,829
front of it sitting on the floor I have

1455
01:01:54,079 --> 01:01:51,839
three of my personal crystal skulls with

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01:01:56,539 --> 01:01:54,089
it portal you losses facing the Mitchell

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01:01:57,230 --> 01:01:56,549
artists go face to face and two other

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small and

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are behind it forming the triangle and I

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have my mp3 player where I can play

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music because music for me is very

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important in my meditation with the

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crystal skulls and when I'm able to

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select the specific music that I need to

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play at any moment so that was the setup

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so whenever you're ready I can go into

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what actually happened to it okay so

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01:02:23,270 --> 01:02:20,460
we're gonna have to explore this further

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detail as we look at crystal skulls

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their meaning and purpose whether they

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are simple artifacts fascinating to look

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at fascinating to hold or they hold

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mystical or advanced scientific

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properties our guess is Joshua Shapiro

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of the co-host is Chris O'Brien I'm gene

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subject on the table is crystal skulls

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the magic and mystery do they hold

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mystical properties ancient scientific

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properties what Joshua Shapiro is here

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the co-host Joshua we broke when you

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were doing this set up in a last segment

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let's continue okay so as I began to go

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into my meditation with the

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mitchell-hedges skull when I started to

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feel is I felt myself like in heaven

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that's the only word that I could

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describe it now what the listeners have

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to understand is whenever people are

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working with say objects that contain

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energy or have essence from

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civilizations in the past if they're

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open to their own spiritual experiences

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they're going to have a unique

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experience and when you have this kind

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of experience all you can do is just

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tell people this is what happened to me

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so that's all I'm gonna do right now so

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what I'm saying is as I was sitting

1613
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there listening to music and meditating

1614
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:35,290
I felt such peace and harmony inside of

1615
01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:38,410
myself like I had never ever experienced

1616
01:08:42,810 --> 01:08:40,210
before and so the word that I used

1617
01:08:44,790 --> 01:08:42,820
before of heaven is the only way that I

1618
01:08:46,320 --> 01:08:44,800
could describe what happened to me but

1619
01:08:48,630 --> 01:08:46,330
then there was something else that

1620
01:08:50,820 --> 01:08:48,640
happened which again was something very

1621
01:08:53,070 --> 01:08:50,830
different that it never happened with

1622
01:08:55,050 --> 01:08:53,080
any other crystal skull before that I've

1623
01:08:57,720 --> 01:08:55,060
worked with including any of my personal

1624
01:09:00,360 --> 01:08:57,730
crystal skulls and I do have ten of them

1625
01:09:04,590 --> 01:09:00,370
but I'll share with my partner Katrina

1626
01:09:07,630 --> 01:09:04,600
and that was that I started and I don't

1627
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know if C is the right word I

1628
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perceive let's say because different

1629
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people have different gifts I generally

1630
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do not see things I feel things or I

1631
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hear things or maybe I get an image in

1632
01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:22,370
my mind of something that's going on so

1633
01:09:27,790 --> 01:09:24,650
let's just say I have an image in my

1634
01:09:31,360 --> 01:09:27,800
mind and I perceive that there is some

1635
01:09:35,200 --> 01:09:31,370
type of being intelligence universal

1636
01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:35,210
consciousness that is floating to the as

1637
01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:36,770
I'm looking at the mitchell-hedges skull

1638
01:09:40,450 --> 01:09:38,570
would be floating to off to my right

1639
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:40,460
side you're saying though that this

1640
01:09:45,730 --> 01:09:43,610
intelligence is somehow embedded in the

1641
01:09:52,170 --> 01:09:45,740
skull or does it bring it forth by some

1642
01:09:54,580 --> 01:09:52,180
innate properties what this

1643
01:09:56,590 --> 01:09:54,590
consciousness and it's it's not like

1644
01:09:59,020 --> 01:09:56,600
like I'm talking to you and you're a

1645
01:10:00,820 --> 01:09:59,030
specific person all right I wasn't in

1646
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the prayer those people think so yeah

1647
01:10:06,460 --> 01:10:03,320
all right but what I'm trying to say is

1648
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this was not like just one being this

1649
01:10:12,820 --> 01:10:09,800
was like a universal intelligence for

1650
01:10:15,010 --> 01:10:12,830
consciousness now as far as what was its

1651
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:15,020
relationship to the Crystal Skull as I

1652
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was experiencing it I did not feel per

1653
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se it was coming from this girl what I

1654
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:24,170
would say is is that this Crystal Skull

1655
01:10:28,390 --> 01:10:26,570
because of its properties because of

1656
01:10:28,870 --> 01:10:28,400
where it's been because of who's worked

1657
01:10:32,740 --> 01:10:28,880
with it

1658
01:10:35,530 --> 01:10:32,750
who's used it is created a door that

1659
01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:35,540
allowed this consciousness to be present

1660
01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:39,170
or it affected me in such a way that I

1661
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went into an altered state of

1662
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:43,220
consciousness because when I think back

1663
01:10:48,370 --> 01:10:45,770
to what was going on I don't know how to

1664
01:10:51,220 --> 01:10:48,380
describe this I mean it's not like your

1665
01:10:53,110 --> 01:10:51,230
everyday physical type of experience

1666
01:10:55,180 --> 01:10:53,120
it's something very profound that's

1667
01:10:58,300 --> 01:10:55,190
going on which doesn't always have words

1668
01:11:00,310 --> 01:10:58,310
so I don't know if the Crystal Skull was

1669
01:11:02,470 --> 01:11:00,320
affecting me and taking me into a higher

1670
01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:02,480
state of consciousness then maybe this

1671
01:11:06,610 --> 01:11:04,730
being is always there and we just don't

1672
01:11:09,400 --> 01:11:06,620
have the gifts to see it and it put me

1673
01:11:11,710 --> 01:11:09,410
into a state to experience it but I've

1674
01:11:13,570 --> 01:11:11,720
been thinking about that because you

1675
01:11:15,430 --> 01:11:13,580
know whenever you have this kind of a

1676
01:11:17,740 --> 01:11:15,440
crazy experience you want to understand

1677
01:11:21,250 --> 01:11:17,750
what was that about why did that happen

1678
01:11:23,470 --> 01:11:21,260
and what I think actually took place and

1679
01:11:24,940 --> 01:11:23,480
this is a mind-blowing concept which I

1680
01:11:27,610 --> 01:11:24,950
don't know if I can explain it properly

1681
01:11:30,580 --> 01:11:27,620
but I think it was another aspect of

1682
01:11:33,070 --> 01:11:30,590
myself that was there the only way I

1683
01:11:36,190 --> 01:11:33,080
know how to describe this is I believe

1684
01:11:38,710 --> 01:11:36,200
that we are multi-dimensional beings we

1685
01:11:41,590 --> 01:11:38,720
may perceive ourselves as being in a

1686
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:41,600
physical body in one place at this time

1687
01:11:46,750 --> 01:11:43,610
but there are other aspects of ourselves

1688
01:11:50,350 --> 01:11:46,760
that exist on other dimensions and

1689
01:11:54,820 --> 01:11:50,360
somehow this was a portal to allow me to

1690
01:11:57,490 --> 01:11:54,830
contact this other okay if that's before

1691
01:11:59,800 --> 01:11:57,500
we even get to the overall aspect of the

1692
01:12:02,220 --> 01:11:59,810
reality behind that impression would any

1693
01:12:05,860 --> 01:12:02,230
skull create the same impression if it's

1694
01:12:08,500 --> 01:12:05,870
supposedly a mystical skull or does it

1695
01:12:11,470 --> 01:12:08,510
require a specific skull for a specific

1696
01:12:13,480 --> 01:12:11,480
access well there are three different

1697
01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:13,490
types of crystal skulls that are

1698
01:12:17,200 --> 01:12:15,170
discussed within the Crystal Skull

1699
01:12:19,480 --> 01:12:17,210
community chris has been talking about

1700
01:12:22,450 --> 01:12:19,490
ancient skulls which some people say

1701
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were made 1,000 or 2,000 years ago or

1702
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older and we have old skulls which are

1703
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from 1,000 say to a hundred years old

1704
01:12:32,290 --> 01:12:30,020
and then we have the nude ones so I'm

1705
01:12:34,930 --> 01:12:32,300
gonna focus on ancient skulls because I

1706
01:12:36,730 --> 01:12:34,940
think mitchell-hedges is ancient even

1707
01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:36,740
though I know it is very controversial

1708
01:12:42,220 --> 01:12:39,650
and there are other people who I respect

1709
01:12:44,140 --> 01:12:42,230
as crystal skull researchers who

1710
01:12:46,060 --> 01:12:44,150
disagree with this I have been in the

1711
01:12:48,100 --> 01:12:46,070
presence I believe of a number of

1712
01:12:51,040 --> 01:12:48,110
ancient crystal skulls so that's the

1713
01:12:53,980 --> 01:12:51,050
only way I can answer your question one

1714
01:12:55,990 --> 01:12:53,990
of them I have responded to in a unique

1715
01:12:59,500 --> 01:12:56,000
and different way that includes a couple

1716
01:13:02,050 --> 01:12:59,510
of skulls I saw in 2009 human sites in

1717
01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:02,060
Mexico that are relatively unknown it

1718
01:13:08,050 --> 01:13:05,330
includes psynergy includes max includes

1719
01:13:10,360 --> 01:13:08,060
a me which is the amethyst go I first

1720
01:13:13,390 --> 01:13:10,370
talked about and a bunch of other ones

1721
01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:13,400
each one is unique and different what I

1722
01:13:18,040 --> 01:13:15,530
have also observed that's very

1723
01:13:20,680 --> 01:13:18,050
interesting is I have observed how these

1724
01:13:23,080 --> 01:13:20,690
type of very old which is what I prefer

1725
01:13:25,750 --> 01:13:23,090
instead of ancient very old crystal

1726
01:13:27,490 --> 01:13:25,760
skulls can affected different people for

1727
01:13:28,990 --> 01:13:27,500
example I watched people be in the

1728
01:13:30,590 --> 01:13:29,000
presence of say the mitchell-hedges

1729
01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:30,600
going everyone have a

1730
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different experience so I think what it

1731
01:13:37,790 --> 01:13:35,550
is is each crystal skull has a unique

1732
01:13:40,100 --> 01:13:37,800
energy and how a person is going to

1733
01:13:42,590 --> 01:13:40,110
respond to it is going to be completely

1734
01:13:45,050 --> 01:13:42,600
different so I believe that there

1735
01:13:46,730 --> 01:13:45,060
probably is not going to be another

1736
01:13:48,230 --> 01:13:46,740
skull that I would have an experience

1737
01:13:50,480 --> 01:13:48,240
like I did with the mitchell-hedges

1738
01:13:52,010 --> 01:13:50,490
except for the blue skull and you

1739
01:13:54,800 --> 01:13:52,020
probably don't want me to talk about

1740
01:13:57,320 --> 01:13:54,810
that one well why not well that one

1741
01:13:59,810 --> 01:13:57,330
doesn't exist it only exists as an

1742
01:14:01,430 --> 01:13:59,820
experience I had in Peru so that was

1743
01:14:03,320 --> 01:14:01,440
completely different the way that I

1744
01:14:05,870 --> 01:14:03,330
responded but it's not something that's

1745
01:14:08,630 --> 01:14:05,880
real ok ok so that's not a real skull

1746
01:14:11,500 --> 01:14:08,640
you imagined a skull well I believe it's

1747
01:14:14,660 --> 01:14:11,510
real because of how powerful I

1748
01:14:15,890 --> 01:14:14,670
experienced it but it doesn't exist in

1749
01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:15,900
the physical reality

1750
01:14:20,480 --> 01:14:19,050
so if we say crystal skull is only real

1751
01:14:22,610 --> 01:14:20,490
I think it's this where you can see and

1752
01:14:24,860 --> 01:14:22,620
touch it then it could be imaginary it

1753
01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:24,870
could be I went crazy when I was in Peru

1754
01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:27,810
or it could be one that exists on some

1755
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mother dimension which for some reason I

1756
01:14:34,370 --> 01:14:32,520
haven't contacted however there are

1757
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other people when I have discussed it

1758
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who have seen and described the same

1759
01:14:40,370 --> 01:14:38,370
crystal skull that I see in my mind

1760
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right ok so that means what I would date

1761
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any of the stuff you're getting

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impressions in your mind about something

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so how do you objectify this how do you

1764
01:14:50,120 --> 01:14:48,120
take those experiences and say ok it's

1765
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not a product of my imagination

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it's something it's real I I know how I

1767
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know how you could do it has anyone

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tried a blind test putting various

1769
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objects hiding them let's say in a a

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some sort of container that's very thin

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but hides the actual contents of

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whatever is inside the box and done a

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blind test with people and ask them to

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sit in front of this hidden object and

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then write down their perceptions and

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then at one point sneak in one of the

1777
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crystal skulls that people feel is is a

1778
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real you know mysterious skull a very

1779
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old one as you as you would put it has

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anyone done a blind test like this

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other quote cold processed whey protein

1880
01:19:35,149 --> 01:19:32,070
powders have been heated and damaged by

1881
01:19:37,100 --> 01:19:35,159
15% or more one world way comes in three

1882
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delicious flavors call eight eight eight

1883
01:19:40,760 --> 01:19:39,000
nine eight eight three three two five

1884
01:19:43,100 --> 01:19:40,770
that's eight eight eight nine eight

1885
01:19:48,040 --> 01:19:43,110
eight three three two five or visit one

1886
01:19:52,100 --> 01:19:48,050
world wacom that's one world whe why.com

1887
01:19:54,620 --> 01:19:52,110
are you tired of searching for great

1888
01:19:55,639 --> 01:19:54,630
talk radio something more important

1889
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search for

1890
01:20:04,159 --> 01:20:02,280
we are the GCM radio network hi the to

1891
01:20:05,080 --> 01:20:04,169
make Pope you're listening to the parrot

1892
01:20:08,359 --> 01:20:05,090
car

1893
01:20:10,520 --> 01:20:08,369
we're back with Joshua Shapiro an expert

1894
01:20:12,229 --> 01:20:10,530
on crystal skulls the co-host is Chris

1895
01:20:14,869 --> 01:20:12,239
O'Brien I'm gene Steinberg you're in the

1896
01:20:18,350 --> 01:20:14,879
power cast before we broke the question

1897
01:20:21,169 --> 01:20:18,360
raised by Christopher about double blind

1898
01:20:22,879 --> 01:20:21,179
testing Joshua what do you think I think

1899
01:20:25,790 --> 01:20:22,889
that's an excellent suggestion and

1900
01:20:28,549 --> 01:20:25,800
actually when I was in Poland working

1901
01:20:31,159 --> 01:20:28,559
with a scientist he actually did exactly

1902
01:20:32,929 --> 01:20:31,169
what you said but we didn't have ancient

1903
01:20:34,669 --> 01:20:32,939
crystal skulls we've just had the

1904
01:20:37,459 --> 01:20:34,679
crystal skulls we were working with

1905
01:20:39,560 --> 01:20:37,469
however when those crystal skulls were

1906
01:20:41,270 --> 01:20:39,570
introduced in a box and the people

1907
01:20:43,669 --> 01:20:41,280
didn't know what was being placed in

1908
01:20:47,270 --> 01:20:43,679
front of them we did notice that they

1909
01:20:49,699 --> 01:20:47,280
responded to a higher energy field so I

1910
01:20:52,279 --> 01:20:49,709
think we need to do more of that I mean

1911
01:20:55,339 --> 01:20:52,289
that was a one day test it had like 10

1912
01:20:57,020 --> 01:20:55,349
people maybe who were being tested and

1913
01:20:59,419 --> 01:20:57,030
when we went over the results of the

1914
01:21:02,330 --> 01:20:59,429
tests we saw that when the crystal skull

1915
01:21:03,560 --> 01:21:02,340
was introduced inside this box where

1916
01:21:06,619 --> 01:21:03,570
they didn't know what they were being

1917
01:21:09,169 --> 01:21:06,629
tested with most of the people responded

1918
01:21:11,540 --> 01:21:09,179
to a higher field of energy in what way

1919
01:21:15,139 --> 01:21:11,550
did they respond I'm trying to remember

1920
01:21:16,939 --> 01:21:15,149
how he decided that I think he had some

1921
01:21:20,089 --> 01:21:16,949
kind of a meteor or something that he

1922
01:21:22,729 --> 01:21:20,099
was using and oh yeah that's right but

1923
01:21:25,159 --> 01:21:22,739
he had sometimes what people will use is

1924
01:21:28,580 --> 01:21:25,169
they have these they're kind of like

1925
01:21:30,619 --> 01:21:28,590
Karelian type of meters where a person

1926
01:21:33,919 --> 01:21:30,629
is putting their hand on a metal plate

1927
01:21:36,290 --> 01:21:33,929
and the metal plate is responding to the

1928
01:21:38,359 --> 01:21:36,300
energy or the resistance that's coming

1929
01:21:40,520 --> 01:21:38,369
through the person so that was the way

1930
01:21:42,529 --> 01:21:40,530
in which he made his measurements so

1931
01:21:44,600 --> 01:21:42,539
that's it so therefore you get a number

1932
01:21:46,459 --> 01:21:44,610
and you can compare the numbers it's the

1933
01:21:48,500 --> 01:21:46,469
same thing with the meridian stress test

1934
01:21:50,600 --> 01:21:48,510
system I told you about it gives you

1935
01:21:53,029 --> 01:21:50,610
numbers and I can do a comparison

1936
01:21:55,699 --> 01:21:53,039
between the numbers which clearly shows

1937
01:21:57,739 --> 01:21:55,709
how a person is responding to the object

1938
01:21:59,089 --> 01:21:57,749
put on the device interesting I think

1939
01:22:01,310 --> 01:21:59,099
more work should be done in this area

1940
01:22:04,729 --> 01:22:01,320
because I've always felt that there was

1941
01:22:07,369 --> 01:22:04,739
something to the crystal skulls and and

1942
01:22:09,050 --> 01:22:07,379
them having unusual properties but I'm

1943
01:22:11,900 --> 01:22:09,060
sure there's a way that weak

1944
01:22:15,170 --> 01:22:11,910
we can go ahead in and scientifically

1945
01:22:20,900 --> 01:22:15,180
test that hypothesis and this would be a

1946
01:22:23,660 --> 01:22:20,910
way to first of all validate your your

1947
01:22:26,270 --> 01:22:23,670
obviously your your intuition and your

1948
01:22:29,120 --> 01:22:26,280
your sense about these objects and and

1949
01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:29,130
other other people as well I mean this

1950
01:22:34,400 --> 01:22:31,770
to me would be an obvious and obvious

1951
01:22:36,140 --> 01:22:34,410
task that somebody should do and in

1952
01:22:38,570 --> 01:22:36,150
determine once and for all whether these

1953
01:22:40,760 --> 01:22:38,580
objects do have some sort of energetic

1954
01:22:45,380 --> 01:22:40,770
properties that have yet really been

1955
01:22:47,030 --> 01:22:45,390
been quantified what other types of

1956
01:22:48,770 --> 01:22:47,040
scientific work do you know of that has

1957
01:22:51,800 --> 01:22:48,780
been attempted has anyone tried for

1958
01:22:55,240 --> 01:22:51,810
instance to to use some sort of laser

1959
01:22:59,450 --> 01:22:55,250
holographic retrieval system to to pull

1960
01:23:02,480 --> 01:22:59,460
energy or data out of these skulls we

1961
01:23:04,400 --> 01:23:02,490
all know that quartz a quartz skull if

1962
01:23:07,490 --> 01:23:04,410
it's encoded with some sort of high

1963
01:23:09,440 --> 01:23:07,500
technology could could store it just

1964
01:23:11,270 --> 01:23:09,450
incredible amounts of data whole you

1965
01:23:14,120 --> 01:23:11,280
know holographically has anyone

1966
01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:14,130
attempted to do any sort of experiments

1967
01:23:19,280 --> 01:23:17,130
with holography and lasers with them as

1968
01:23:22,880 --> 01:23:19,290
far as I know I haven't heard about it I

1969
01:23:26,090 --> 01:23:22,890
think what the basic challenge is is the

1970
01:23:29,780 --> 01:23:26,100
equipment to really do the tests in the

1971
01:23:32,060 --> 01:23:29,790
right way is extremely expensive and the

1972
01:23:34,070 --> 01:23:32,070
people who have access to such equipment

1973
01:23:36,590 --> 01:23:34,080
probably would think we were crazy or

1974
01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:36,600
lunatics for trying to do this kind of

1975
01:23:43,700 --> 01:23:41,610
research we have a non-profit center

1976
01:23:46,970 --> 01:23:43,710
called the world mastery Research Center

1977
01:23:49,580 --> 01:23:46,980
and we haven't had any success yet to be

1978
01:23:51,860 --> 01:23:49,590
able to raise funds in order to have

1979
01:23:54,650 --> 01:23:51,870
money to use for this kind of equipment

1980
01:23:57,320 --> 01:23:54,660
but that would be one of my hopes is

1981
01:23:59,870 --> 01:23:57,330
that eventually maybe we would meet

1982
01:24:01,430 --> 01:23:59,880
somebody who really sees there is

1983
01:24:03,050 --> 01:24:01,440
something about the crystal skulls

1984
01:24:04,670 --> 01:24:03,060
that's important and this kind of

1985
01:24:06,590 --> 01:24:04,680
research would really help us to

1986
01:24:09,500 --> 01:24:06,600
understand it better and might be

1987
01:24:12,350 --> 01:24:09,510
interested to help to make donations for

1988
01:24:15,110 --> 01:24:12,360
it but as far as I know so far it's been

1989
01:24:16,820 --> 01:24:15,120
very limited that kind of research and

1990
01:24:20,510 --> 01:24:16,830
the only reason that I did the research

1991
01:24:22,640 --> 01:24:20,520
I did was because I wanted to show that

1992
01:24:25,189 --> 01:24:22,650
there was some possibility

1993
01:24:27,410 --> 01:24:25,199
the different type of electronic devices

1994
01:24:29,810 --> 01:24:27,420
which show that there is this energy

1995
01:24:31,490 --> 01:24:29,820
that the skulls are emanating which

1996
01:24:33,740 --> 01:24:31,500
people are talking about in their

1997
01:24:35,839 --> 01:24:33,750
personal experiences so that we would

1998
01:24:39,379 --> 01:24:35,849
have some support like this because for

1999
01:24:40,970 --> 01:24:39,389
us it doesn't matter where we go or when

2000
01:24:43,189 --> 01:24:40,980
we have sessions or when we do our

2001
01:24:45,410 --> 01:24:43,199
lectures or whatever people are having a

2002
01:24:47,720 --> 01:24:45,420
response even to our own crystal skulls

2003
01:24:50,089 --> 01:24:47,730
that we have and the only thing that

2004
01:24:52,669 --> 01:24:50,099
we've done with our crystal skulls is

2005
01:24:54,950 --> 01:24:52,679
we've taken them to different sacred

2006
01:24:58,129 --> 01:24:54,960
sites we've put them in the presence of

2007
01:25:00,800 --> 01:24:58,139
ancient crystal skulls we've used them

2008
01:25:02,359 --> 01:25:00,810
for world peace meditations so we've

2009
01:25:04,430 --> 01:25:02,369
done a lot of work with them we've

2010
01:25:07,430 --> 01:25:04,440
they've finally been on their first

2011
01:25:10,370 --> 01:25:07,440
pyramid when we went to TV walk on which

2012
01:25:12,830 --> 01:25:10,380
is by Mexico City so I think all of

2013
01:25:17,330 --> 01:25:12,840
these things help to activate ones

2014
01:25:19,910 --> 01:25:17,340
crystal skulls and to have them start to

2015
01:25:21,890 --> 01:25:19,920
perform the service and work that they

2016
01:25:23,780 --> 01:25:21,900
can do to help other people because

2017
01:25:26,180 --> 01:25:23,790
that's always what I see them I see them

2018
01:25:28,879 --> 01:25:26,190
in a positive light they're here to be a

2019
01:25:31,040 --> 01:25:28,889
tool to assist us to remember more of

2020
01:25:33,260 --> 01:25:31,050
who we truly are divine children of God

2021
01:25:35,510 --> 01:25:33,270
let's look at the other shoe though how

2022
01:25:38,270 --> 01:25:35,520
do you know that the message is conveyed

2023
01:25:40,520 --> 01:25:38,280
by the crystal skull where the anti

2024
01:25:42,169 --> 01:25:40,530
Deezer beings are really truthful and

2025
01:25:43,939 --> 01:25:42,179
not something designed to fool you into

2026
01:25:47,030 --> 01:25:43,949
believing something that isn't there

2027
01:25:49,820 --> 01:25:47,040
of course anytime that you deal in an

2028
01:25:51,560 --> 01:25:49,830
area of the paranormal that exact

2029
01:25:54,109 --> 01:25:51,570
question gene that you bring up is

2030
01:25:56,689 --> 01:25:54,119
always going to be proposed and asked so

2031
01:25:58,399 --> 01:25:56,699
what I would do is I would look at all

2032
01:26:00,890 --> 01:25:58,409
the people that I know who have had

2033
01:26:03,290 --> 01:26:00,900
contact with crystal skulls and there

2034
01:26:07,100 --> 01:26:03,300
are experiences but more importantly how

2035
01:26:09,560 --> 01:26:07,110
the crystals go has had an impact on

2036
01:26:11,149 --> 01:26:09,570
their life and for most of the people

2037
01:26:13,220 --> 01:26:11,159
that we are in touch with who are

2038
01:26:15,740 --> 01:26:13,230
working with them the impact has been

2039
01:26:18,709 --> 01:26:15,750
extremely positive helping them to

2040
01:26:23,270 --> 01:26:18,719
decide about a profession better health

2041
01:26:25,370 --> 01:26:23,280
better meditation the ability to develop

2042
01:26:29,629 --> 01:26:25,380
their spiritual gifts their creative

2043
01:26:32,390 --> 01:26:29,639
gifts Story upon story upon story so

2044
01:26:34,700 --> 01:26:32,400
however I must also acknowledge that

2045
01:26:35,959 --> 01:26:34,710
there have been some crystal skulls

2046
01:26:39,050 --> 01:26:35,969
which I met there

2047
01:26:42,020 --> 01:26:39,060
one I remember in Mexico City that I saw

2048
01:26:44,030 --> 01:26:42,030
the energy was not so nice it's very

2049
01:26:47,900 --> 01:26:44,040
possible that's go may have been used

2050
01:26:51,380 --> 01:26:47,910
for man's inhumanity by man by maybe the

2051
01:26:53,120 --> 01:26:51,390
Aztec or the Mayans for example mr.

2052
01:26:54,820 --> 01:26:53,130
Nasser II know and I knew him I talked

2053
01:26:57,200 --> 01:26:54,830
about that there could have been

2054
01:26:58,520 --> 01:26:57,210
sacrifices made where people's hearts

2055
01:27:02,660 --> 01:26:58,530
were taken out and they would put a

2056
01:27:04,970 --> 01:27:02,670
crystal skull in there yeah so that that

2057
01:27:08,540 --> 01:27:04,980
crystal skull a mint had a very very

2058
01:27:11,120 --> 01:27:08,550
intense heavy energy so basically here

2059
01:27:13,700 --> 01:27:11,130
the skull is just a tool you could use

2060
01:27:17,330 --> 01:27:13,710
it for good or bad I believe so I think

2061
01:27:20,090 --> 01:27:17,340
this is true of everything that any tool

2062
01:27:22,250 --> 01:27:20,100
that you have you can use it to benefit

2063
01:27:24,979 --> 01:27:22,260
yourself and others or it can be used

2064
01:27:26,990 --> 01:27:24,989
detrimental however I would say with

2065
01:27:28,720 --> 01:27:27,000
some of the ancient crystal skulls I

2066
01:27:31,689 --> 01:27:28,730
have met they seem to have their own

2067
01:27:34,490 --> 01:27:31,699
system of protection within them that

2068
01:27:36,530 --> 01:27:34,500
prevents people from misusing them

2069
01:27:38,660 --> 01:27:36,540
example would be in the case of the

2070
01:27:41,020 --> 01:27:38,670
mitchell-hedges go miss Mitchell had

2071
01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:41,030
just talked about two instances where

2072
01:27:45,830 --> 01:27:44,010
she was gone or one time was with her

2073
01:27:48,229 --> 01:27:45,840
father in England another time when she

2074
01:27:51,110 --> 01:27:48,239
was in Canada where they left their home

2075
01:27:52,310 --> 01:27:51,120
they came back and they found a stranger

2076
01:27:55,850 --> 01:27:52,320
around the skull

2077
01:27:59,330 --> 01:27:55,860
frozen in place unable to move until the

2078
01:28:01,970 --> 01:27:59,340
Crystal Skull was taken away excuse me

2079
01:28:04,370 --> 01:28:01,980
exactly explain that in more detail find

2080
01:28:08,979 --> 01:28:04,380
a stranger - what I've never heard that

2081
01:28:11,689 --> 01:28:08,989
one they said in their castle in England

2082
01:28:14,240 --> 01:28:11,699
which would be in the 1940s oh I think

2083
01:28:16,640 --> 01:28:14,250
our 50s and then one time when she was

2084
01:28:19,580 --> 01:28:16,650
living in Canada they went out of their

2085
01:28:22,040 --> 01:28:19,590
house they came back and they saw a

2086
01:28:24,920 --> 01:28:22,050
stranger in the house that was literally

2087
01:28:27,260 --> 01:28:24,930
frozen either holding or touching the

2088
01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:27,270
crystals go and that person was unable

2089
01:28:32,209 --> 01:28:29,610
to move until the Crystal Skull was real

2090
01:28:33,920 --> 01:28:32,219
so this to me would be an example of a

2091
01:28:37,100 --> 01:28:33,930
way they could protect themselves now

2092
01:28:40,700 --> 01:28:37,110
this would also presuppose that these

2093
01:28:42,439 --> 01:28:40,710
crystal skulls our living beings onto

2094
01:28:45,700 --> 01:28:42,449
themselves have their own consciousness

2095
01:28:47,439 --> 01:28:45,710
it's not just a stone containing energy

2096
01:28:49,450 --> 01:28:47,449
it's similar to what we're having with

2097
01:28:52,209 --> 01:28:49,460
our personals goes when we're having

2098
01:28:54,970 --> 01:28:52,219
convert conversations with them it's not

2099
01:28:57,669 --> 01:28:54,980
just a stone and it's talking to us it's

2100
01:29:00,040 --> 01:28:57,679
a living consciousness that's linked to

2101
01:29:01,780 --> 01:29:00,050
that object that's communicated now it

2102
01:29:04,479 --> 01:29:01,790
could be in the case of the new skulls

2103
01:29:06,550 --> 01:29:04,489
it could be some type of a spirit that

2104
01:29:08,830 --> 01:29:06,560
perhaps because of the individual who

2105
01:29:10,600 --> 01:29:08,840
has it like maybe they've had past lives

2106
01:29:12,850 --> 01:29:10,610
with crystal skulls that have something

2107
01:29:15,820 --> 01:29:12,860
in their DNA encoded that works with

2108
01:29:17,590 --> 01:29:15,830
crystal skull that the spirit is able to

2109
01:29:19,540 --> 01:29:17,600
work through the skull and make it alive

2110
01:29:21,250 --> 01:29:19,550
but when I was in the presence of the

2111
01:29:24,040 --> 01:29:21,260
mitchell-hedges go with the story I told

2112
01:29:26,560 --> 01:29:24,050
you I was also sensing that it was a

2113
01:29:28,600 --> 01:29:26,570
living being on to itself and that's the

2114
01:29:31,330 --> 01:29:28,610
way that I experienced his blues go

2115
01:29:34,180 --> 01:29:31,340
which has not surfaced yet if it ever

2116
01:29:35,979 --> 01:29:34,190
does yeah Joshua Shapiro we're talking

2117
01:29:37,780 --> 01:29:35,989
about the crystal skulls I'm Jean

2118
01:29:42,160 --> 01:29:37,790
Steinberg the co-host is Chris O'Brien

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Shapiro of the magic and mystery of the

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Crystal Skull or maybe it's just a skull

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and we're imagining it we're trying to

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separate fact from fiction here to

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figure out what's really going on and

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get to the bottom of everything the

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co-host is Chris O'Brien I'm gene

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Steinberg you're in the para Cass okay

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Joshua so let's get to the other part of

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the question here earlier on when we

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first got started we talked of crystal

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skulls in the sense of having mystical

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properties but possibly also being

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ancient computerized systems so where do

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we separate one from the other

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that's a good question gene and that's

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part of the work that we're doing is to

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try to understand the

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multi-functionality of the crystal

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skulls and what they can do no I really

2244
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I don't know how to separate them they

2245
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seem like they have the ability to do

2246
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many different things and it depends

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upon what kind of crystal skull you're

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working with as we mentioned the three

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different types seems likely very old

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ones or ancient ones as people call them

2251
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and have a lot of information in which

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an energy that has been passed to them

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maybe from all the civilizations they've

2254
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been with or because it's who created

2255
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them it really it's a big mystery and

2256
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I'm not going to say that I have all the

2257
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answers like I said in the beginning

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when all I can try to do is to present

2259
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the experiences the ideas what happens

2260
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what we've tried I mean definitely the

2261
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crystal skulls have to have a lot more

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research and it would really be nice if

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there were more scientists that were

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more open to participate because I think

2265
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there's a lot more tests just like what

2266
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Chris was asking about that could be

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done for the most part I think the

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skulls are being used right now as a

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tool to help people in their own

2270
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spiritual and personal evolution and as

2271
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I said we get many reports from people

2272
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that are having a very positive reflect

2273
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from them let me ask you

2274
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question here - the placebo effect sure

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yeah I love them that was gonna be my

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question - gene you read my mind think

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alike go ahead and explain this Chris

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Kerr

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well I was gonna say that you know

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generally people that go and see crystal

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skulls that hear about them perhaps one

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of them is gonna be in the area or they

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they know somebody that has one they

2284
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tend to be curious and they already tend

2285
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to have some sort of positive response

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to just the very subject so you know

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when you when you go out and you have

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meetings or you have events like that

2289
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you're attracting people that are

2290
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already interested and and I would say

2291
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by and large have a very positive

2292
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feeling about this particular mystery so

2293
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automatically your front loaded with

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with people who already have a belief

2295
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system around this subject so it doesn't

2296
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it doesn't surprise me at all that you

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would have things even as dramatic as as

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eeling

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that could be associated with the

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objects so I think it's it's it's not

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you know it's not I don't think it's

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indicative of its indicative of people

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who already have a positive sense about

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the skulls and and that could be what

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what creates a placebo effect now if you

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brought this goal to let's say Rikers

2307
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Island and had a meeting with a bunch of

2308
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inmates in there I bet you wouldn't have

2309
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the types of healing or the numbers of

2310
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healings and and positive responses

2311
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around it I just do what's that one off

2312
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the top of my head that's why I think

2313
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the double-blind situation is really

2314
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important to do a an exhaustive study

2315
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with a thousand people from all walks of

2316
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life some who've never even heard of

2317
01:37:54,660 --> 01:37:51,610
crystal skulls and and have a mixed bag

2318
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of participants in the study because

2319
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obviously if you have a positive feeling

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about a subject when you are exposed to

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that particular object or that subject

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and obviously I think that's gonna skew

2323
01:38:09,660 --> 01:38:07,900
your results so I mentioned the Maya

2324
01:38:12,330 --> 01:38:09,670
before and this is something that I've

2325
01:38:14,490 --> 01:38:12,340
always wondered about and have tried to

2326
01:38:17,760 --> 01:38:14,500
research and and they have not been that

2327
01:38:20,880 --> 01:38:17,770
successful and that is how did the Maya

2328
01:38:23,130 --> 01:38:20,890
Ashley utilize these goals do we know do

2329
01:38:27,330 --> 01:38:23,140
we know anything about

2330
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why they were made what purposes they

2331
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were used for obviously most of the my

2332
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literature that existed when the Spanish

2333
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arrived was destroyed the only real

2334
01:38:41,310 --> 01:38:38,260
knowledge that we have is in the form of

2335
01:38:42,930 --> 01:38:41,320
the stelae and and carvings most of

2336
01:38:45,540 --> 01:38:42,940
which have to do with dynastic and

2337
01:38:47,459 --> 01:38:45,550
endtime oriented kolender ik information

2338
01:38:49,590 --> 01:38:47,469
we know a lot about their mathematics we

2339
01:38:51,750 --> 01:38:49,600
don't know a lot about their culture but

2340
01:38:54,360 --> 01:38:51,760
what do we know about the use of crystal

2341
01:38:55,860 --> 01:38:54,370
skulls and why they were even carved by

2342
01:38:57,419 --> 01:38:55,870
the Maya the Maya carved hundreds and

2343
01:39:00,510 --> 01:38:57,429
hundreds of these objects most of them

2344
01:39:03,419 --> 01:39:00,520
are small but they definitely had a

2345
01:39:06,060 --> 01:39:03,429
fascination with this particular art

2346
01:39:09,390 --> 01:39:06,070
form what do you what do we know Joshu

2347
01:39:11,610 --> 01:39:09,400
about this when I received portal

2348
01:39:14,910 --> 01:39:11,620
Deleuze which was at a conference in

2349
01:39:18,709 --> 01:39:14,920
Sedona Arizona in 1999 there was some

2350
01:39:20,669 --> 01:39:18,719
contact with Mayans from Guatemala and

2351
01:39:23,970 --> 01:39:20,679
unfortunately I can't think of the name

2352
01:39:25,830 --> 01:39:23,980
of the Mayan elder off the top of my

2353
01:39:28,650 --> 01:39:25,840
head who is connected with this group

2354
01:39:31,470 --> 01:39:28,660
but he had some Mayan priests that came

2355
01:39:33,120 --> 01:39:31,480
and there were some interesting comments

2356
01:39:35,490 --> 01:39:33,130
that they made about the Crystal Skull

2357
01:39:38,610 --> 01:39:35,500
so I could share that because that's

2358
01:39:41,520 --> 01:39:38,620
their comment first of all they seem to

2359
01:39:44,040 --> 01:39:41,530
indicate that they were not the

2360
01:39:45,630 --> 01:39:44,050
originators of the crystal skulls they

2361
01:39:48,930 --> 01:39:45,640
talked about some kind of connection

2362
01:39:52,070 --> 01:39:48,940
with the grandfather's of the Pleiades

2363
01:39:55,050 --> 01:39:52,080
now that would imply a UFO or

2364
01:39:57,419 --> 01:39:55,060
extraterrestrial contact another comment

2365
01:40:00,060 --> 01:39:57,429
that I've heard from mine sources is

2366
01:40:02,220 --> 01:40:00,070
that some of the more advanced crystal

2367
01:40:06,090 --> 01:40:02,230
skulls they did not make but they came

2368
01:40:08,640 --> 01:40:06,100
from Atlantis I think when sports men

2369
01:40:11,130 --> 01:40:08,650
was one who's known as a Mayan day

2370
01:40:13,280 --> 01:40:11,140
keeper I think when I saw him in Germany

2371
01:40:17,070 --> 01:40:13,290
once or something he was talking about

2372
01:40:19,500 --> 01:40:17,080
an Atlantean connection with crystal

2373
01:40:22,560 --> 01:40:19,510
skulls which is that was true that would

2374
01:40:24,900 --> 01:40:22,570
mean that the Atlanteans that survived

2375
01:40:28,020 --> 01:40:24,910
their disaster if we believe in this

2376
01:40:30,030 --> 01:40:28,030
we'd have taken their sacred artifacts

2377
01:40:32,550 --> 01:40:30,040
and brought them to different parts of

2378
01:40:35,520 --> 01:40:32,560
the world and purportedly the Yucatan

2379
01:40:36,000 --> 01:40:35,530
area was a colony of Atlantis at one

2380
01:40:38,370 --> 01:40:36,010
time

2381
01:40:41,550 --> 01:40:38,380
so this is where some of the crystals go

2382
01:40:44,340 --> 01:40:41,560
strong now one of the things that has

2383
01:40:47,220 --> 01:40:44,350
come up from my contact of going to

2384
01:40:49,770 --> 01:40:47,230
Mexico actually there's a new book which

2385
01:40:52,320 --> 01:40:49,780
is now available on Amazon that we just

2386
01:40:53,250 --> 01:40:52,330
put out which is from two trips we took

2387
01:40:54,960 --> 01:40:53,260
to Mexico

2388
01:40:57,750 --> 01:40:54,970
it's called journeys of the Crystal

2389
01:41:00,840 --> 01:40:57,760
Skull explores the travelogue Series

2390
01:41:03,060 --> 01:41:00,850
Mexico 2009 and that is that a

2391
01:41:05,340 --> 01:41:03,070
tremendous amount of crystal skulls are

2392
01:41:08,160 --> 01:41:05,350
coming out of the ground out of Mexico

2393
01:41:12,450 --> 01:41:08,170
for myself in the two trips that I took

2394
01:41:15,180 --> 01:41:12,460
in 2009 I would say that I saw probably

2395
01:41:18,510 --> 01:41:15,190
about fifteen or twenty which could be

2396
01:41:21,750 --> 01:41:18,520
old or very old crystal skulls in Mexico

2397
01:41:23,729 --> 01:41:21,760
that I had never heard of before and we

2398
01:41:26,460 --> 01:41:23,739
just keep hearing from sources that more

2399
01:41:28,260 --> 01:41:26,470
and more of them are coming out now just

2400
01:41:30,540 --> 01:41:28,270
because the crystal skulls are being

2401
01:41:33,210 --> 01:41:30,550
found in such profusion in the area

2402
01:41:36,810 --> 01:41:33,220
where the mix where the Mayans and other

2403
01:41:39,570 --> 01:41:36,820
meso American cultures arm does not

2404
01:41:41,520 --> 01:41:39,580
necessarily mean that they carved them

2405
01:41:43,020 --> 01:41:41,530
although the implication that we're

2406
01:41:45,690 --> 01:41:43,030
getting from the modern Carver's in

2407
01:41:47,880 --> 01:41:45,700
Mexico is that they're pretty good at

2408
01:41:50,340 --> 01:41:47,890
carving crystal skulls now in

2409
01:41:52,200 --> 01:41:50,350
duplicating this so it's probably

2410
01:41:56,670 --> 01:41:52,210
something that's been passed down from

2411
01:41:59,520 --> 01:41:56,680
generation to generation so to summarize

2412
01:42:02,760 --> 01:41:59,530
if this information is correct it would

2413
01:42:05,220 --> 01:42:02,770
probably imply that the crystal skulls

2414
01:42:08,430 --> 01:42:05,230
were gifts either from advanced

2415
01:42:11,400 --> 01:42:08,440
civilizations or extraterrestrials that

2416
01:42:13,620 --> 01:42:11,410
were given to the Mayans and that they

2417
01:42:15,840 --> 01:42:13,630
basically had them because the Mayans

2418
01:42:17,670 --> 01:42:15,850
are really one of the only indigenous

2419
01:42:20,070 --> 01:42:17,680
groups on the planet that are willing to

2420
01:42:22,200 --> 01:42:20,080
talk about Christmas bells we we believe

2421
01:42:24,510 --> 01:42:22,210
the Native Americans also know about

2422
01:42:26,370 --> 01:42:24,520
them but it's very hard to get to find

2423
01:42:30,990 --> 01:42:26,380
somebody who's willing to discuss it as

2424
01:42:32,670 --> 01:42:31,000
openly as they do and so I think if we

2425
01:42:35,490 --> 01:42:32,680
understand this information the Mayans

2426
01:42:37,560 --> 01:42:35,500
are implying that the skulls are coming

2427
01:42:39,990 --> 01:42:37,570
from other sources and they consider

2428
01:42:41,970 --> 01:42:40,000
them to be sacred tools which is

2429
01:42:44,070 --> 01:42:41,980
definitely true I mean they don't like

2430
01:42:46,110 --> 01:42:44,080
that these crystal skulls are being

2431
01:42:48,609 --> 01:42:46,120
taken outside of their country or being

2432
01:42:50,560 --> 01:42:48,619
destroyed are being put in museums

2433
01:42:52,660 --> 01:42:50,570
they're to be used for ceremony and

2434
01:42:54,970 --> 01:42:52,670
that's primarily how they're working

2435
01:42:56,979 --> 01:42:54,980
with them now know is in ceremony but

2436
01:43:00,430 --> 01:42:56,989
there are a lot of scope coming out of

2437
01:43:03,160 --> 01:43:00,440
Mexico and Central America do you know

2438
01:43:04,930 --> 01:43:03,170
of any true very old crystal skulls that

2439
01:43:07,800 --> 01:43:04,940
have been discovered anywhere else but

2440
01:43:12,160 --> 01:43:07,810
down on the Maya Lance

2441
01:43:14,709 --> 01:43:12,170
yoky Ben Deacon had an interesting to go

2442
01:43:18,100 --> 01:43:14,719
yoky been beaten is the guardian of a of

2443
01:43:22,629 --> 01:43:18,110
a human-sized smoky quartz go which he

2444
01:43:25,089 --> 01:43:22,639
calls iki of a rose quartz go which was

2445
01:43:29,830 --> 01:43:25,099
very primitive but it was an old skull

2446
01:43:33,459 --> 01:43:29,840
for sure that was found near of love

2447
01:43:35,620 --> 01:43:33,469
Russia it was found in the mouths of the

2448
01:43:38,859 --> 01:43:35,630
skin thien's which was an ancient race

2449
01:43:41,709 --> 01:43:38,869
to coexisted with when Genghis Khan was

2450
01:43:44,680 --> 01:43:41,719
alive so this is the one that was

2451
01:43:46,600 --> 01:43:44,690
discovered not in that area now there

2452
01:43:49,149 --> 01:43:46,610
was a radio show I heard but I never got

2453
01:43:50,890 --> 01:43:49,159
a chance to ask Martin Thomas who did

2454
01:43:55,030 --> 01:43:50,900
the book mystery of the Crystal Skull

2455
01:43:56,560 --> 01:43:55,040
that was the BBC and hey any documentary

2456
01:43:59,890 --> 01:43:56,570
which I still think is one of the best

2457
01:44:03,129 --> 01:43:59,900
ones that's been made where somebody was

2458
01:44:05,830 --> 01:44:03,139
talking about that underwater off of

2459
01:44:08,169 --> 01:44:05,840
Australia some Aborigines knew about a

2460
01:44:11,229 --> 01:44:08,179
Crystal Skull there and then of course

2461
01:44:15,209 --> 01:44:11,239
you know could there be some crystal

2462
01:44:17,859 --> 01:44:15,219
skulls connected to M&E where the

2463
01:44:19,899 --> 01:44:17,869
Atlantean crystal ball purportedly was

2464
01:44:22,149 --> 01:44:19,909
found and maybe there are some temples

2465
01:44:24,910 --> 01:44:22,159
on the water there we'll get into more

2466
01:44:26,709 --> 01:44:24,920
of this lore in a moment Joshua Shapiro

2467
01:44:29,200 --> 01:44:26,719
joining us the co-host is Chris O'Brien

2468
01:44:32,150 --> 01:44:29,210
I'm gene Steinberg you're in the para

2469
01:44:42,220 --> 01:44:39,419
[Music]

2470
01:44:44,470 --> 01:44:42,230
hi Ted Anderson announcing a great way

2471
01:44:46,660 --> 01:44:44,480
to listen to radio on the telephone by

2472
01:44:48,729 --> 01:44:46,670
calling seven six oh five six nine

2473
01:44:51,310 --> 01:44:48,739
seventy seven hundred you'll be hearing

2474
01:44:53,770 --> 01:44:51,320
juicy and live.com programs in seconds

2475
01:44:56,109 --> 01:44:53,780
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2476
01:44:59,050 --> 01:44:56,119
favorite host dedicated phone number and

2477
01:45:01,570 --> 01:44:59,060
hear them 24/7 you heard me right every

2478
01:45:04,180 --> 01:45:01,580
show has a dedicated phone number stop

2479
01:45:06,490 --> 01:45:04,190
by GC and live.com and bookmark their

2480
01:45:08,970 --> 01:45:06,500
number today and again that's seven six

2481
01:45:11,590 --> 01:45:08,980
oh five six nine seventy seven hundred

2482
01:45:13,689 --> 01:45:11,600
we the people grow cotton wheat fabric

2483
01:45:15,310 --> 01:45:13,699
engraving can bed strips and fibers to

2484
01:45:17,080 --> 01:45:15,320
protect from counterfeit and carding to

2485
01:45:17,590 --> 01:45:17,090
a private bank having it led back at

2486
01:45:19,300 --> 01:45:17,600
interest

2487
01:45:20,979 --> 01:45:19,310
forcing taxes to service debt this

2488
01:45:22,600 --> 01:45:20,989
capitalism what was Jefferson correct

2489
01:45:24,250 --> 01:45:22,610
when stating a central bank issuing the

2490
01:45:25,390 --> 01:45:24,260
public currency is a greater menace to

2491
01:45:27,160 --> 01:45:25,400
the liberties of the people than a

2492
01:45:28,209 --> 01:45:27,170
standing army Ted Anderson I'm placing a

2493
01:45:30,310 --> 01:45:28,219
free silver dollar in a book that

2494
01:45:33,580 --> 01:45:30,320
explains our monetary system call for

2495
01:45:36,669 --> 01:45:33,590
your copy 800 686 to 237 it's time to

2496
01:45:45,189 --> 01:45:36,679
understand the system call 866 to 237

2497
01:45:47,140 --> 01:45:45,199
that's 800 686 to 237 welcome back to

2498
01:45:50,470 --> 01:45:47,150
the pair cast the gold standard of

2499
01:45:55,600 --> 01:45:50,480
paranormal radio and now here's gene

2500
01:46:00,169 --> 01:45:58,370
final hour of the power cache with gene

2501
01:46:03,590 --> 01:46:00,179
and Chris talking to Joshua Shapiro

2502
01:46:05,870 --> 01:46:03,600
about the magic mystery and the possible

2503
01:46:08,270 --> 01:46:05,880
reality of crystal skulls so obviously

2504
01:46:10,370 --> 01:46:08,280
we have to look at some other shoes here

2505
01:46:12,320 --> 01:46:10,380
so looking at some other shoes other

2506
01:46:14,720 --> 01:46:12,330
possibilities with crystal skulls

2507
01:46:18,200 --> 01:46:14,730
what about outright fakery if you

2508
01:46:20,330 --> 01:46:18,210
encountered fake claims fake skulls how

2509
01:46:22,550 --> 01:46:20,340
do you separate them from the ones you

2510
01:46:25,700 --> 01:46:22,560
regard as real well we have something

2511
01:46:28,010 --> 01:46:25,710
called the Internet and eBay no and if

2512
01:46:30,020 --> 01:46:28,020
somebody does a search and on eBay and

2513
01:46:32,060 --> 01:46:30,030
you look under crystal skulls you'll see

2514
01:46:34,520 --> 01:46:32,070
all kinds of crystal skulls that are

2515
01:46:38,000 --> 01:46:34,530
available for sale so obviously there's

2516
01:46:40,610 --> 01:46:38,010
no doubt that someone probably wanting

2517
01:46:43,040 --> 01:46:40,620
to take advantage of the last Indiana

2518
01:46:45,590 --> 01:46:43,050
Jones film talking about crystal skulls

2519
01:46:48,500 --> 01:46:45,600
you know now I think they're becoming

2520
01:46:50,360 --> 01:46:48,510
more popular that people can make any

2521
01:46:53,630 --> 01:46:50,370
claim they want on the internet that

2522
01:46:56,630 --> 01:46:53,640
crystal skulls are their ancient or old

2523
01:46:59,030 --> 01:46:56,640
or from ancient Tibet or whatever so we

2524
01:47:00,830 --> 01:46:59,040
already know it's a given fact that

2525
01:47:03,439 --> 01:47:00,840
there's going to be fake crystal skulls

2526
01:47:05,600 --> 01:47:03,449
oh yeah so the question you ask Jean

2527
01:47:07,430 --> 01:47:05,610
which is a very good one how do we know

2528
01:47:10,729 --> 01:47:07,440
the difference between ones which are

2529
01:47:13,399 --> 01:47:10,739
genuine and one which are fake right now

2530
01:47:15,380 --> 01:47:13,409
as far as I know especially because we

2531
01:47:17,899 --> 01:47:15,390
don't have the support of scientists

2532
01:47:20,899 --> 01:47:17,909
there is no definitive way from a

2533
01:47:24,050 --> 01:47:20,909
physical perspective just say whether

2534
01:47:26,360 --> 01:47:24,060
one is ancient or old I mean Chris

2535
01:47:28,459 --> 01:47:26,370
mentioned that some of the older ones

2536
01:47:30,860 --> 01:47:28,469
seem to have a more primitive design and

2537
01:47:32,899 --> 01:47:30,870
structure to that and I would agree the

2538
01:47:35,270 --> 01:47:32,909
ones I've seen in Mexico there's been in

2539
01:47:38,330 --> 01:47:35,280
some very the primitive ones I mean we

2540
01:47:40,580 --> 01:47:38,340
we definitely know whether one is

2541
01:47:42,890 --> 01:47:40,590
probably a modern carving or not if we

2542
01:47:44,990 --> 01:47:42,900
use an electronic microscope on a

2543
01:47:47,300 --> 01:47:45,000
crystal skull you can actually see the

2544
01:47:51,680 --> 01:47:47,310
carvers tool marks on there and that's

2545
01:47:53,899 --> 01:47:51,690
been the major way of determining look

2546
01:47:56,330 --> 01:47:53,909
like from the position of a museum and

2547
01:47:58,220 --> 01:47:56,340
so forth it's not the best way because

2548
01:48:01,160 --> 01:47:58,230
let's say for example we haven't holds

2549
01:48:04,459 --> 01:48:01,170
go that maybe the Mayans have and the

2550
01:48:06,200 --> 01:48:04,469
head Mayan leader goes to his Carver and

2551
01:48:06,560 --> 01:48:06,210
says look I don't like this go I want

2552
01:48:08,540 --> 01:48:06,570
you

2553
01:48:11,089 --> 01:48:08,550
change it and uses a metal tool on the

2554
01:48:13,939 --> 01:48:11,099
surface and changes it and all of a

2555
01:48:17,060 --> 01:48:13,949
sudden that becomes a modern dough so

2556
01:48:19,459 --> 01:48:17,070
what we have to do is try to find a way

2557
01:48:22,520 --> 01:48:19,469
where we can get some support where we

2558
01:48:25,330 --> 01:48:22,530
can do both scientific testing of the

2559
01:48:28,609 --> 01:48:25,340
form and the shape of scale with

2560
01:48:30,470 --> 01:48:28,619
paranormal research also done whether we

2561
01:48:33,439 --> 01:48:30,480
bring in sensitives to work with this

2562
01:48:35,780 --> 01:48:33,449
girl's or maybe we even get some of the

2563
01:48:38,300 --> 01:48:35,790
indigenous people involved in this and

2564
01:48:42,500 --> 01:48:38,310
as far as I know I've never heard of all

2565
01:48:45,919 --> 01:48:42,510
of these things being like the A&E and

2566
01:48:47,930 --> 01:48:45,929
and BBC show you know they went so far

2567
01:48:49,280 --> 01:48:47,940
with research where they made molds of

2568
01:48:51,589 --> 01:48:49,290
skulls and they only looked at the

2569
01:48:54,109 --> 01:48:51,599
surface they didn't consider anything

2570
01:48:55,879 --> 01:48:54,119
about background on history or where it

2571
01:48:57,979 --> 01:48:55,889
was founded we're just looking at the

2572
01:49:00,500 --> 01:48:57,989
form of it they didn't do anything with

2573
01:49:03,459 --> 01:49:00,510
energy like what kind of energy does

2574
01:49:06,830 --> 01:49:03,469
this girls wear this is a really I think

2575
01:49:09,530 --> 01:49:06,840
big sore spot right now that we don't

2576
01:49:11,720 --> 01:49:09,540
have a more specific way to do the

2577
01:49:13,609 --> 01:49:11,730
research so we can know yes disco

2578
01:49:15,890 --> 01:49:13,619
definitely is ancient this goat is

2579
01:49:17,810 --> 01:49:15,900
definitely old and the new scouts

2580
01:49:20,419 --> 01:49:17,820
generally we know because we know who's

2581
01:49:22,069 --> 01:49:20,429
making them so it's a real sore spot I

2582
01:49:24,260 --> 01:49:22,079
don't know what to do with it other than

2583
01:49:26,930 --> 01:49:24,270
just to keep going and keep reporting

2584
01:49:28,819 --> 01:49:26,940
what we find and hopefully somebody out

2585
01:49:30,620 --> 01:49:28,829
there will say this is an important

2586
01:49:32,479 --> 01:49:30,630
question I want again above I want to

2587
01:49:34,700 --> 01:49:32,489
help make that happen and has the

2588
01:49:36,260 --> 01:49:34,710
resources to do it well we'll put it out

2589
01:49:39,680 --> 01:49:36,270
there to our audience anybody know of

2590
01:49:41,359 --> 01:49:39,690
any diagnostic equipment and and or and

2591
01:49:43,669 --> 01:49:41,369
open-minded scientists in a lab that

2592
01:49:46,250 --> 01:49:43,679
could help out in this regard it's news

2593
01:49:49,129 --> 01:49:46,260
dr. Peric ascom let us know we'll work

2594
01:49:50,990 --> 01:49:49,139
with Joshua and we'll get we'll get a

2595
01:49:52,459 --> 01:49:51,000
program set up so that some of these

2596
01:49:55,370 --> 01:49:52,469
skulls that are in question can be

2597
01:49:56,689 --> 01:49:55,380
tested now we mentioned at the onset and

2598
01:49:58,370 --> 01:49:56,699
you brought up a very interesting point

2599
01:50:01,520 --> 01:49:58,380
that I wanted to jump on right away

2600
01:50:03,770 --> 01:50:01,530
obviously we need to do some background

2601
01:50:06,470 --> 01:50:03,780
information first but you mentioned that

2602
01:50:09,530 --> 01:50:06,480
these skulls you feel have an important

2603
01:50:12,290 --> 01:50:09,540
role to play in these present and near

2604
01:50:13,790 --> 01:50:12,300
future times so I think a lot of people

2605
01:50:15,799 --> 01:50:13,800
would agree that

2606
01:50:18,680 --> 01:50:15,809
the planet is is undergoing some

2607
01:50:21,589 --> 01:50:18,690
dramatic changes information will be

2608
01:50:24,560 --> 01:50:21,599
doubling instantaneously here sometime

2609
01:50:28,430 --> 01:50:24,570
within the next Oh 15 to 20 months we're

2610
01:50:29,950 --> 01:50:28,440
getting to what Terrance but McKenna

2611
01:50:34,010 --> 01:50:29,960
would have said is a theological

2612
01:50:35,870 --> 01:50:34,020
singularity point in our history and in

2613
01:50:38,030 --> 01:50:35,880
our collection cultures on the planet

2614
01:50:40,490 --> 01:50:38,040
what role do you see these skulls

2615
01:50:43,100 --> 01:50:40,500
playing in these in these future times

2616
01:50:44,959 --> 01:50:43,110
that are unfolding so quickly well if

2617
01:50:47,510 --> 01:50:44,969
the crystal skulls especially the

2618
01:50:49,220 --> 01:50:47,520
ancient ones are truly computers that

2619
01:50:51,620 --> 01:50:49,230
you have all kinds of knowledge and

2620
01:50:53,450 --> 01:50:51,630
information encoded in it and we haven't

2621
01:50:56,030 --> 01:50:53,460
quite yet figured out how to get it and

2622
01:50:59,120 --> 01:50:56,040
I believe this is one of the services

2623
01:51:00,770 --> 01:50:59,130
that they can provide for us is to

2624
01:51:02,030 --> 01:51:00,780
provide some kind of knowledge or

2625
01:51:03,649 --> 01:51:02,040
information that can make a big

2626
01:51:06,200 --> 01:51:03,659
difference to create a more peaceful

2627
01:51:07,850 --> 01:51:06,210
part of them another aspect of the

2628
01:51:11,299 --> 01:51:07,860
crystal skulls which we've already been

2629
01:51:13,819 --> 01:51:11,309
doing to some degree is related to

2630
01:51:16,370 --> 01:51:13,829
working with there are special energies

2631
01:51:18,890 --> 01:51:16,380
their healing energies who are using it

2632
01:51:20,950 --> 01:51:18,900
to create let's say like special

2633
01:51:23,479 --> 01:51:20,960
meditation or ceremonies or go to

2634
01:51:26,240 --> 01:51:23,489
certain specific places on the planet

2635
01:51:29,600 --> 01:51:26,250
where there are energy vortexes Worth

2636
01:51:32,299 --> 01:51:29,610
Texas and then work in combination with

2637
01:51:36,439 --> 01:51:32,309
meditation and groups of people in order

2638
01:51:37,669 --> 01:51:36,449
to amplify those energies now we started

2639
01:51:41,299 --> 01:51:37,679
and this happened with the

2640
01:51:44,450 --> 01:51:41,309
mitchell-hedges go the second experience

2641
01:51:46,430 --> 01:51:44,460
I had with it in 2008 after I had the

2642
01:51:49,040 --> 01:51:46,440
one I told you I went would go home into

2643
01:51:52,069 --> 01:51:49,050
Italy and as soon as he took this guy

2644
01:51:54,530 --> 01:51:52,079
out to show to our host I became sick I

2645
01:51:57,709 --> 01:51:54,540
almost couldn't even do my lecture and a

2646
01:52:00,169 --> 01:51:57,719
very high fever so there was a really

2647
01:52:02,660 --> 01:52:00,179
powerful transform transformation that

2648
01:52:04,520 --> 01:52:02,670
was happening to me and out of all the

2649
01:52:07,370 --> 01:52:04,530
before I was able to come back from

2650
01:52:09,709 --> 01:52:07,380
Italy to America came the idea of a

2651
01:52:11,839 --> 01:52:09,719
series of World Peace meditations with

2652
01:52:15,109 --> 01:52:11,849
people all over the world focusing

2653
01:52:16,819 --> 01:52:15,119
together sending out a harmonious energy

2654
01:52:20,180 --> 01:52:16,829
to Planet while we're holding and

2655
01:52:23,569 --> 01:52:20,190
meditating with personal crystals go we

2656
01:52:26,120 --> 01:52:23,579
actually did huh I can't reminding

2657
01:52:27,319 --> 01:52:26,130
twenty-seven meditations from January

2658
01:52:29,660 --> 01:52:27,329
first of two

2659
01:52:33,200 --> 01:52:29,670
thousand and nine until January 1st of

2660
01:52:35,660 --> 01:52:33,210
this year did 27 meditations for that

2661
01:52:37,790 --> 01:52:35,670
and that idea came when I was

2662
01:52:39,950 --> 01:52:37,800
interviewed on the radio station by uri

2663
01:52:41,959 --> 01:52:39,960
geller one time which is probably like

2664
01:52:45,530 --> 01:52:41,969
about 10 years ago or something he was

2665
01:52:47,149 --> 01:52:45,540
in England I was in Colorado and one

2666
01:52:49,069 --> 01:52:47,159
strange thing that happened during that

2667
01:52:52,520 --> 01:52:49,079
interview is as soon as we were talking

2668
01:52:54,310 --> 01:52:52,530
about crystal skulls the internet

2669
01:52:57,140 --> 01:52:54,320
portion of his radio broadcast

2670
01:52:59,510 --> 01:52:57,150
immediately stopped but the the normal

2671
01:53:01,430 --> 01:52:59,520
radio broadcast continued going anyway

2672
01:53:03,080 --> 01:53:01,440
he asked me to say okay fine we have

2673
01:53:05,060 --> 01:53:03,090
crystals ghost well how can they help

2674
01:53:08,209 --> 01:53:05,070
make a better planet and I started

2675
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talking about these meditations so after

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being in the presence of the

2677
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mitchell-hedges go I just woke up one

2678
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morning and I knew how to do it so I

2679
01:53:17,959 --> 01:53:16,139
think that the crystal skulls also if

2680
01:53:20,330 --> 01:53:17,969
they were used in this way much more

2681
01:53:22,910 --> 01:53:20,340
like who knows how many people we had in

2682
01:53:25,250 --> 01:53:22,920
these meditations maybe we during one

2683
01:53:27,470 --> 01:53:25,260
day maybe anywhere from three hundred to

2684
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a thousand people but what if we had ten

2685
01:53:32,000 --> 01:53:29,429
thousand people who are medicating with

2686
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crystals goes focusing on peace now one

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of the things that's important about

2688
01:53:39,470 --> 01:53:36,929
quartz crystal is it amplifies energy

2689
01:53:41,689 --> 01:53:39,480
like an electrical current it amplifies

2690
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that electrical current that's why all

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of our devices are so small but quartz

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crystal also does the same when a human

2693
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being is meditating or working with it

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it's amplifying the power of mind energy

2695
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or amplifying and healing it so I

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believe T that if we were to get groups

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of people together working with certain

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sets of crystal skulls maybe in sacred

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places because again this was an idea

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then a Mayan actually gave me a long

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time the girl was talking to some person

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who is linked to one of the Mayan

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shamans and he said they believe that

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the crystal skulls each had a certain

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specific location whether it was an area

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where there was a temple or it was a

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sacred site or an energy vortexes that

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they needed to be and if all of them

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were brought to those right places at

2710
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the right time maybe that would be the

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catalytic moment that would bring

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together the right energies that

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literally would propel our planet into a

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higher vibrational State sounds like

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someone

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he's like for example the movie The

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Phantom which was based on the comic

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book character if you remember the one

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with Billy Zane and Catherine zeta-jones

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back in the 1990s and the mystique here

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in the mystery was that you would align

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several skulls crystal like skulls

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together to create some magical impact

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some magical force in that case it was

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basically some kind of destructive force

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because it was just a fantasy fiction

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kind of movie not necessarily a very

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good fantasy fiction movie kind of

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failed at the box office

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just wanted to mention that we have

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crystal skulls he has a website where he

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and gentlemen I want to tell you that it

2842
02:00:22,390 --> 02:00:20,179
looks like Chris O'Brien is beginning to

2843
02:00:24,430 --> 02:00:22,400
sound like he is becoming a crystal

2844
02:00:27,100 --> 02:00:24,440
skull we're being taken over by one is

2845
02:00:29,050 --> 02:00:27,110
that it Chris I was trying to be max III

2846
02:00:30,970 --> 02:00:29,060
like out of all the ones I've seen max

2847
02:00:33,459 --> 02:00:30,980
was the one that I got the I got the

2848
02:00:36,640 --> 02:00:33,469
biggest thrill scene it just it's max a

2849
02:00:40,390 --> 02:00:36,650
Jewish crystal skull oh no actually it's

2850
02:00:42,669 --> 02:00:40,400
not gene sadly ok maybe bring a

2851
02:00:44,410 --> 02:00:42,679
condition to the room and it will become

2852
02:00:45,959 --> 02:00:44,420
a Jewish crystal skull anyway I'm

2853
02:00:49,270 --> 02:00:45,969
starting to think I might have watch

2854
02:00:50,950 --> 02:00:49,280
well I have a question for you now this

2855
02:00:52,570 --> 02:00:50,960
is something that I've heard crop up

2856
02:00:56,110 --> 02:00:52,580
from time to time I've done a little

2857
02:00:58,149 --> 02:00:56,120
research about this particular subject

2858
02:01:01,090 --> 02:00:58,159
but I wanted to get your take on it

2859
02:01:04,240 --> 02:01:01,100
there's a popular sort of theory out

2860
02:01:06,760 --> 02:01:04,250
there a story that supposedly there's 13

2861
02:01:08,590 --> 02:01:06,770
main crystal skulls and at some point

2862
02:01:10,870 --> 02:01:08,600
they will all be brought together for

2863
02:01:12,760 --> 02:01:10,880
some magical purpose transformative

2864
02:01:16,050 --> 02:01:12,770
purpose and I'm wondering if you know

2865
02:01:19,360 --> 02:01:16,060
where this particular legendre story

2866
02:01:21,550 --> 02:01:19,370
comes from if you take any stock in this

2867
02:01:22,930 --> 02:01:21,560
whole scenario and after you're done

2868
02:01:25,840 --> 02:01:22,940
I'll tell you a little bit more about

2869
02:01:27,729 --> 02:01:25,850
what I've what I found which i think is

2870
02:01:30,010 --> 02:01:27,739
pretty interesting as well what is your

2871
02:01:32,379 --> 02:01:30,020
theory on this well one of the things

2872
02:01:35,110 --> 02:01:32,389
that I believe is very important for

2873
02:01:38,229 --> 02:01:35,120
Humanity is this concept of one

2874
02:01:40,810 --> 02:01:38,239
surrounded by 512 in my studies of many

2875
02:01:42,850 --> 02:01:40,820
different religions and even I think in

2876
02:01:45,640 --> 02:01:42,860
our own solar system there may actually

2877
02:01:48,040 --> 02:01:45,650
be 12 planets around the Sun even though

2878
02:01:49,419 --> 02:01:48,050
we think we know about 10 I think

2879
02:01:51,970 --> 02:01:49,429
they're pretty sure there's another

2880
02:01:53,800 --> 02:01:51,980
planet beyond Pluto now but as far as if

2881
02:01:55,720 --> 02:01:53,810
there would be two other ones that's a

2882
02:01:57,820 --> 02:01:55,730
mystery so he wouldn't be surprising

2883
02:01:59,200 --> 02:01:57,830
that there would be a similar type of

2884
02:02:02,020 --> 02:01:59,210
situation that would come up with

2885
02:02:03,810 --> 02:02:02,030
crystal skulls one central skull

2886
02:02:06,629 --> 02:02:03,820
surrounded by 12 others

2887
02:02:09,149 --> 02:02:06,639
as far as where did this originally come

2888
02:02:11,100 --> 02:02:09,159
from I'm not totally sure I know mr.

2889
02:02:13,800 --> 02:02:11,110
Nasser Eno talked about it for quite

2890
02:02:15,629 --> 02:02:13,810
some time when the authors of the book

2891
02:02:17,339 --> 02:02:15,639
mystery of the crystal skulls morning

2892
02:02:20,760 --> 02:02:17,349
Thomas actually started interviewing

2893
02:02:23,010 --> 02:02:20,770
different indigenous elders it also

2894
02:02:25,740 --> 02:02:23,020
popped up some Native Americans have

2895
02:02:29,010 --> 02:02:25,750
talked about this idea of 13 crystal

2896
02:02:30,540 --> 02:02:29,020
skulls even in our book the first book

2897
02:02:33,479 --> 02:02:30,550
we did mystery of the crystal skulls

2898
02:02:35,970 --> 02:02:33,489
revealed again one of our sources this

2899
02:02:38,280 --> 02:02:35,980
Michael Kent he also talked about it so

2900
02:02:39,149 --> 02:02:38,290
there's been a lot of different versions

2901
02:02:41,069 --> 02:02:39,159
of it

2902
02:02:43,319 --> 02:02:41,079
there's been a lot of people who have

2903
02:02:46,530 --> 02:02:43,329
felt an affinity for it now whether

2904
02:02:48,899 --> 02:02:46,540
there's one set of 13 skulls or multiple

2905
02:02:51,810 --> 02:02:48,909
sets of 13 skulls I don't know because

2906
02:02:55,410 --> 02:02:51,820
the Mayans will talk about a set of 50

2907
02:02:57,660 --> 02:02:55,420
to scho and 50 to would be 4 times 13 in

2908
02:02:59,399 --> 02:02:57,670
that perhaps they have one set and maybe

2909
02:03:01,649 --> 02:02:59,409
there are other indigenous people who

2910
02:03:04,200 --> 02:03:01,659
have other sets webscoe I personally

2911
02:03:06,270 --> 02:03:04,210
think there must be something to this I

2912
02:03:08,879 --> 02:03:06,280
can't prove it it's just a strong

2913
02:03:10,770 --> 02:03:08,889
feeling that I have because it comes up

2914
02:03:13,379 --> 02:03:10,780
a lot and there's a lot of people who

2915
02:03:16,080 --> 02:03:13,389
feel a strong affinity towards this one

2916
02:03:18,270 --> 02:03:16,090
mr. rounded by 12 in the morning and

2917
02:03:21,390 --> 02:03:18,280
Thomas book they talked about 13

2918
02:03:23,220 --> 02:03:21,400
original skulls and this is a term that

2919
02:03:24,990 --> 02:03:23,230
a lot of people have picked up on

2920
02:03:27,810 --> 02:03:25,000
meaning that perhaps there was an

2921
02:03:29,640 --> 02:03:27,820
original set of 13 from which all the

2922
02:03:32,430 --> 02:03:29,650
other skulls that we're finding and are

2923
02:03:34,859 --> 02:03:32,440
coming out somehow are connected to it

2924
02:03:37,530 --> 02:03:34,869
in our first book mystery of the crystal

2925
02:03:40,260 --> 02:03:37,540
skulls revealed when we discussed a set

2926
02:03:43,770 --> 02:03:40,270
of thirteen original skulls it was

2927
02:03:46,169 --> 02:03:43,780
linked to possibility of Inner Earth

2928
02:03:48,060 --> 02:03:46,179
people or in our earth civilizations

2929
02:03:50,520 --> 02:03:48,070
that each one brought with them a

2930
02:03:52,859 --> 02:03:50,530
crystal skull in a crystal body actually

2931
02:03:55,410 --> 02:03:52,869
twelve of these civilizations with the

2932
02:03:57,240 --> 02:03:55,420
thirteen being the family so the

2933
02:04:00,359 --> 02:03:57,250
theories can go in many different ways

2934
02:04:02,220 --> 02:04:00,369
it can be the Mayans had 13 skulls or

2935
02:04:04,620 --> 02:04:02,230
you know some Native Americans I've

2936
02:04:07,950 --> 02:04:04,630
heard they they talked about 13 skulls

2937
02:04:10,560 --> 02:04:07,960
and that they were separated for their

2938
02:04:13,290 --> 02:04:10,570
protection but the main thing that

2939
02:04:15,570 --> 02:04:13,300
they're discussing is that if this set

2940
02:04:18,030 --> 02:04:15,580
of 13s goes or however

2941
02:04:20,880 --> 02:04:18,040
then the number is maybe it's 24 maybe

2942
02:04:23,640 --> 02:04:20,890
it's 2652 when they come back together

2943
02:04:25,860 --> 02:04:23,650
that this may be the catalytic moment

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02:04:28,170 --> 02:04:25,870
that actually creates total peace on the

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02:04:29,970 --> 02:04:28,180
planet by shifting vibrationally the

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02:04:32,490 --> 02:04:29,980
frequency and balancing everything you

2947
02:04:35,100 --> 02:04:32,500
know so I don't know my sensing is there

2948
02:04:37,980 --> 02:04:35,110
something about such a set and of course

2949
02:04:40,650 --> 02:04:37,990
in all my travels I'm constantly looking

2950
02:04:43,320 --> 02:04:40,660
for any kind of validation or other

2951
02:04:45,360 --> 02:04:43,330
insights about this but it just keeps

2952
02:04:47,340 --> 02:04:45,370
coming up and it doesn't go away so I

2953
02:04:49,410 --> 02:04:47,350
can't I just feel like there's something

2954
02:04:51,570 --> 02:04:49,420
to it but which of the different

2955
02:04:53,250 --> 02:04:51,580
theories is the right one don't know at

2956
02:04:55,650 --> 02:04:53,260
this point yeah I heard that Nick no

2957
02:04:57,420 --> 02:04:55,660
Sereno had a vision of third of 12

2958
02:04:59,280 --> 02:04:57,430
schools surrounding the 13th one in the

2959
02:05:01,100 --> 02:04:59,290
thing girl life of its own but you

2960
02:05:03,450 --> 02:05:01,110
you're bringing up some very intriguing

2961
02:05:06,450 --> 02:05:03,460
additional possibilities that he may

2962
02:05:08,160 --> 02:05:06,460
have been picking up on something that

2963
02:05:10,890 --> 02:05:08,170
was a you know potentially a true

2964
02:05:13,740 --> 02:05:10,900
scenario in the past so I've always

2965
02:05:17,820 --> 02:05:13,750
found that particular belief very

2966
02:05:20,490 --> 02:05:17,830
intriguing simply for the fact that it

2967
02:05:22,560 --> 02:05:20,500
would be interesting to see 13 of these

2968
02:05:24,410 --> 02:05:22,570
very old skulls together probably each

2969
02:05:27,150 --> 02:05:24,420
one would have its own unique

2970
02:05:28,830 --> 02:05:27,160
characteristic sounds like the Phantom I

2971
02:05:31,650 --> 02:05:28,840
think new phantom those worked four or

2972
02:05:33,450 --> 02:05:31,660
five skulls I never saw that it was it

2973
02:05:36,090 --> 02:05:33,460
came and went so fast I didn't have a

2974
02:05:40,230 --> 02:05:36,100
chance gene but okay when you get this

2975
02:05:42,360 --> 02:05:40,240
magnification of energy no words we know

2976
02:05:45,090 --> 02:05:42,370
the properties of quartz now here's one

2977
02:05:47,390 --> 02:05:45,100
that I've also I've heard about just a

2978
02:05:51,060 --> 02:05:47,400
couple of times supposedly there is a

2979
02:05:52,680 --> 02:05:51,070
life-sized obsidian black obsidian skull

2980
02:05:56,430 --> 02:05:52,690
have you ever heard of this I know

2981
02:05:58,590 --> 02:05:56,440
yoky been Deacon had a obsidian schoo

2982
02:06:01,920 --> 02:05:58,600
that was made by somebody in either

2983
02:06:04,410 --> 02:06:01,930
Oberstein it's very possible that there

2984
02:06:07,020 --> 02:06:04,420
can be other skulls made from other

2985
02:06:09,390 --> 02:06:07,030
materials of human size or a larger I've

2986
02:06:11,280 --> 02:06:09,400
heard of these differences so I don't

2987
02:06:12,600 --> 02:06:11,290
know if that's called specifically but

2988
02:06:15,690 --> 02:06:12,610
you have to understand Chris there are

2989
02:06:18,780 --> 02:06:15,700
so many non quartz skulls coming out now

2990
02:06:24,690 --> 02:06:18,790
it's impossible to keep up I got one in

2991
02:06:28,170 --> 02:06:24,700
acrylic he even see the mold marks so

2992
02:06:29,490 --> 02:06:28,180
you you haven't actually heard of a of

2993
02:06:31,050 --> 02:06:29,500
an ancient crystal school

2994
02:06:35,280 --> 02:06:31,060
it was carved out of obsidian which is

2995
02:06:37,110 --> 02:06:35,290
glass I mean it is it is quartz but it's

2996
02:06:42,240 --> 02:06:37,120
not natural quartz it's a volcanic glass

2997
02:06:44,520 --> 02:06:42,250
I was gonna say another one that has

2998
02:06:48,570 --> 02:06:44,530
recently surfaced Steven mailer was here

2999
02:06:51,600 --> 02:06:48,580
in December and he was showing a huge 50

3000
02:06:53,670 --> 02:06:51,610
I think plus pound more of a primitive

3001
02:06:55,110 --> 02:06:53,680
skull but it definitely based on the

3002
02:06:57,090 --> 02:06:55,120
very good high-res photographs that he

3003
02:06:58,830 --> 02:06:57,100
took of it that I saw it definitely

3004
02:07:01,170 --> 02:06:58,840
looks like in a very old or ancient

3005
02:07:02,730 --> 02:07:01,180
skull have you heard of this one that

3006
02:07:05,100 --> 02:07:02,740
just now surfaced in a collection here

3007
02:07:06,390 --> 02:07:05,110
in Sedona there is a documentation trail

3008
02:07:09,990 --> 02:07:06,400
that goes back quite a number of years

3009
02:07:11,700 --> 02:07:10,000
on it but this would be larger than the

3010
02:07:14,760 --> 02:07:11,710
one in the Smithsonian which I think was

3011
02:07:17,220 --> 02:07:14,770
the previous record-holder I think that

3012
02:07:20,700 --> 02:07:17,230
was what 30 or 40 pounds this one is

3013
02:07:23,130 --> 02:07:20,710
huge I mean it's it's a 50 pound Bobo

3014
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EEMA --the and stiva was quite taken by

3015
02:07:32,670 --> 02:07:26,050
it he said that it's has a row vibe to

3016
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it are you familiar with this one I'm

3017
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wondering when he's gonna come out with

3018
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photographs I would I'd be very

3019
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interested to get the Crystal Skull

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community's take on it it's pretty

3021
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amazing so what's you know what are you

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working on now I mean other than you

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know working with your foundation

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your in your plans are you gonna be

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doing more traveling we are getting to a

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very crucial time period in history as a

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lot of people are suspecting do you feel

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these particular times do you feel any

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gathering people together for for

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meditations I mean give us a sense of

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what you're gonna be up to here this

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next year and we'll do that in our next

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segment we have Joshua Shapiro who's

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Shapiro to talk about crystal skulls our

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co-host Chris O'Brien I'm gene

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we broke Chris asked a very long

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question about the potential future

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activities for Joshua what's your

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response

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well one of the things that we just

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created which action started on my

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birthday in April is we started the

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International Crystal Skull Network this

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was an inspiration from the conference

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that we went to and pollen which was I

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think one of the most successful crystal

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scope conferences I ever went to because

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everybody worked together so well I mean

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it was a combination of good information

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of entertainment music just the whole

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thing it just went spectacular so we've

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started this international Crystal Skull

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Network whose basic goal is about

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cooperation and co-creation to try to

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bring more people together who are

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working with crystal skulls and try to

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see what we can do and co-create I don't

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know where that network is going to go

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it's in its infant stages but I

3173
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definitely know that we do plan probably

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in the summer equinox to do start a new

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series of world peace meditations as you

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mentioned Chris I'm going to start to

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release a series of ebooks I just

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discovered Kindle e-books it gives me

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the powers and author to do exactly what

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I want to do our first book as we

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mentioned has already come out and it's

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going to be based upon the places that

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we've traveled so far and what we've

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discovered that I've never had a chance

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to share before so that's going to be

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taking up part of my time

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we're going to continue to do our

3188
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travels hopefully we'll be going into

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Canada and the United States for the

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rest of this year I don't know if we're

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going to be able to make it into Europe

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again and there's a special conference

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for the 11-11-11 which is called the

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star knowledge conference that I believe

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I participated with yeok event in with

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the ancients goiti and their very first

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one in the 1990s where they bring

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together a lot of different indigenous

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speakers and I will be participating as

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a speaker about crystal skulls that

3201
02:15:13,709 --> 02:15:11,199
takes place in Illinois by an area

3202
02:15:16,399 --> 02:15:13,719
called Cahokia we also

3203
02:15:19,649 --> 02:15:16,409
believe it or not a script for an

3204
02:15:23,310 --> 02:15:19,659
action-adventure film if I'm not able to

3205
02:15:25,140 --> 02:15:23,320
find a way to make it happen as a movie

3206
02:15:27,270 --> 02:15:25,150
that you see in the theaters and we will

3207
02:15:29,339 --> 02:15:27,280
come out with the novel version so I'm

3208
02:15:33,330 --> 02:15:29,349
in the process of doing that and that

3209
02:15:36,660 --> 02:15:33,340
story that happens in this film or this

3210
02:15:38,700 --> 02:15:36,670
novel is giving a real perspective how

3211
02:15:41,580 --> 02:15:38,710
we hope it could actually happen by

3212
02:15:43,680 --> 02:15:41,590
December 21st of 2012 but it's actually

3213
02:15:45,390 --> 02:15:43,690
part of the trilogy because the first

3214
02:15:47,790 --> 02:15:45,400
part of the story er would take place

3215
02:15:49,979 --> 02:15:47,800
during Atlantis and then the second part

3216
02:15:52,020 --> 02:15:49,989
takes place in current time and the

3217
02:15:54,299 --> 02:15:52,030
third part which show how the world

3218
02:15:56,279 --> 02:15:54,309
would be if we actually had world peace

3219
02:15:58,379 --> 02:15:56,289
would be completely different than any

3220
02:16:01,020 --> 02:15:58,389
story in any movie that's ever been told

3221
02:16:03,060 --> 02:16:01,030
before so that's pretty important

3222
02:16:04,890 --> 02:16:03,070
projects prize you understand though

3223
02:16:07,649 --> 02:16:04,900
that getting a deal for a Hollywood

3224
02:16:11,430 --> 02:16:07,659
movie is one of these exercises in

3225
02:16:13,830 --> 02:16:11,440
futility well yeah it's a good idea but

3226
02:16:15,810 --> 02:16:13,840
then you guys sell the producer you

3227
02:16:19,109 --> 02:16:15,820
gotta sell the studio they're going to

3228
02:16:21,120 --> 02:16:19,119
insist on some degree of creativity

3229
02:16:23,399 --> 02:16:21,130
creative freedom to take your story as

3230
02:16:26,879 --> 02:16:23,409
good as it might be and change it to

3231
02:16:30,149 --> 02:16:26,889
their own requirements comes with the

3232
02:16:32,099 --> 02:16:30,159
territory we're going to go with the

3233
02:16:34,440 --> 02:16:32,109
novel version of it so we can tell the

3234
02:16:36,870 --> 02:16:34,450
story the way that we want to and the

3235
02:16:39,419 --> 02:16:36,880
other project that I probably would like

3236
02:16:41,129 --> 02:16:39,429
to do is you know these production

3237
02:16:42,870 --> 02:16:41,139
companies came out with all kinds of

3238
02:16:45,059 --> 02:16:42,880
documentaries because of the Indiana

3239
02:16:47,070 --> 02:16:45,069
Jones film about Crystal Skull but I've

3240
02:16:49,740 --> 02:16:47,080
talked with some of the other people who

3241
02:16:51,780 --> 02:16:49,750
are researchers investigated and we just

3242
02:16:53,639 --> 02:16:51,790
feel like they missed the mark there was

3243
02:16:56,759 --> 02:16:53,649
so much more they could have talked

3244
02:16:59,040 --> 02:16:56,769
about so if there is ever a possibility

3245
02:17:00,839 --> 02:16:59,050
opportunity to do our own documentary I

3246
02:17:02,190 --> 02:17:00,849
really would like to do that to show

3247
02:17:04,080 --> 02:17:02,200
some of the things that we've been

3248
02:17:10,889 --> 02:17:04,090
talking about and find a way to present

3249
02:17:12,719 --> 02:17:10,899
it studio so you know help you with it

3250
02:17:14,009 --> 02:17:12,729
I've already helped produce one I

3251
02:17:17,190 --> 02:17:14,019
thought it was a very good documentary

3252
02:17:20,280 --> 02:17:17,200
on the subject and was able to pull JJ

3253
02:17:22,559 --> 02:17:20,290
hurtak out of the ethers to participate

3254
02:17:24,870 --> 02:17:22,569
in it he a Christian listeners who he is

3255
02:17:27,160 --> 02:17:24,880
a JJ hurtak is one of the more enigmatic

3256
02:17:29,740 --> 02:17:27,170
figures I think in the history of

3257
02:17:32,500 --> 02:17:29,750
the paranormal he's got I don't know how

3258
02:17:34,450 --> 02:17:32,510
many doctorates he's one of the ones

3259
02:17:37,150 --> 02:17:34,460
that you know has been touted as being

3260
02:17:38,980 --> 02:17:37,160
the father of the New Age just has been

3261
02:17:41,820 --> 02:17:38,990
around forever Speaks I don't know

3262
02:17:46,000 --> 02:17:41,830
eleven languages it travels the world

3263
02:17:48,940 --> 02:17:46,010
he's just an amazing guy very mysterious

3264
02:17:50,800 --> 02:17:48,950
in some ways he wrote a very famous book

3265
02:17:52,570 --> 02:17:50,810
called the keys of Enoch which is

3266
02:17:54,280 --> 02:17:52,580
written almost like a Bible and some

3267
02:17:56,320 --> 02:17:54,290
people do call it a new-age Bible he's

3268
02:17:59,081 --> 02:17:56,330
something that I just happened to meet

3269
02:18:01,630 --> 02:17:59,091
Oh twelve years or so ago and claims

3270
02:18:03,670 --> 02:18:01,640
he's a fan of my work and I see him he

3271
02:18:07,000 --> 02:18:03,680
stops by once a year and I was able to

3272
02:18:09,550 --> 02:18:07,010
snag him to comment about crystal skulls

3273
02:18:12,520 --> 02:18:09,560
in this documentary and he came up with

3274
02:18:14,770 --> 02:18:12,530
some very interesting observations about

3275
02:18:16,420 --> 02:18:14,780
the location of some of these skulls and

3276
02:18:17,920 --> 02:18:16,430
where they're found in how they they

3277
02:18:20,860 --> 02:18:17,930
almost are found in a grid-like

3278
02:18:23,200 --> 02:18:20,870
crystalline network in terms of their

3279
02:18:25,300 --> 02:18:23,210
actual place place of their discovery

3280
02:18:27,490 --> 02:18:25,310
and he had a very interesting map that

3281
02:18:29,170 --> 02:18:27,500
showed the proximity of these locations

3282
02:18:30,430 --> 02:18:29,180
of where these things are on earth I

3283
02:18:32,620 --> 02:18:30,440
mean the ones that are actually pulled

3284
02:18:34,630 --> 02:18:32,630
out of the ground I just found it very

3285
02:18:36,910 --> 02:18:34,640
fascinating to be able to get him to

3286
02:18:38,620 --> 02:18:36,920
become involved in a in a documentary

3287
02:18:41,740 --> 02:18:38,630
you don't see him on TV

3288
02:18:43,300 --> 02:18:41,750
he's very reclusive he's travelling

3289
02:18:45,550 --> 02:18:43,310
around the world all the time he's

3290
02:18:48,490 --> 02:18:45,560
involved with indigenous peoples and in

3291
02:18:50,230 --> 02:18:48,500
helping create sustainability and and

3292
02:18:52,630 --> 02:18:50,240
you know better the lives of indigenous

3293
02:18:54,970 --> 02:18:52,640
people as well as his archaeological

3294
02:18:57,730 --> 02:18:54,980
work but I'd be willing Joshua to help

3295
02:19:00,820 --> 02:18:57,740
you out in any way you just let me know

3296
02:19:02,320 --> 02:19:00,830
I do have I have some skills in a in a

3297
02:19:04,541 --> 02:19:02,330
video studio of course I'm plugging

3298
02:19:06,400 --> 02:19:04,551
myself here and a little shameless but

3299
02:19:08,170 --> 02:19:06,410
he's gonna run commercials later on by

3300
02:19:10,840 --> 02:19:08,180
the way but it also has to pay for the

3301
02:19:12,340 --> 02:19:10,850
commercials right no he doesn't yeah and

3302
02:19:13,090 --> 02:19:12,350
I stay for it you'll pay for your own

3303
02:19:14,740 --> 02:19:13,100
commercials

3304
02:19:16,090 --> 02:19:14,750
no but seriously speaking yeah be

3305
02:19:17,530 --> 02:19:16,100
interesting to see what you could

3306
02:19:20,980 --> 02:19:17,540
produce in something like this so what's

3307
02:19:22,620 --> 02:19:20,990
your take on Joshua I'm leaning more

3308
02:19:25,331 --> 02:19:22,630
toward so it's called a docudrama

3309
02:19:28,541 --> 02:19:25,341
because when I think about everything

3310
02:19:31,660 --> 02:19:28,551
that people are attracted to they like

3311
02:19:34,630 --> 02:19:31,670
stories so if we could create a story

3312
02:19:36,880 --> 02:19:34,640
that's based on true details true skulls

3313
02:19:38,440 --> 02:19:36,890
true histories I think you could make an

3314
02:19:40,030 --> 02:19:38,450
amazing documentary

3315
02:19:42,310 --> 02:19:40,040
that's the direction I'm going it

3316
02:19:43,929 --> 02:19:42,320
basically was an idea that I got when I

3317
02:19:46,299 --> 02:19:43,939
was talking to this friend I have who's

3318
02:19:48,040 --> 02:19:46,309
also a director of documentaries in

3319
02:19:50,770 --> 02:19:48,050
Florida yeah that's right about it but

3320
02:19:53,170 --> 02:19:50,780
always the basic challenges to have all

3321
02:19:54,940 --> 02:19:53,180
the resources necessary to make it him I

3322
02:19:56,650 --> 02:19:54,950
think this year some things are gonna

3323
02:19:58,360 --> 02:19:56,660
breakthrough related to the crystal

3324
02:20:00,070 --> 02:19:58,370
skulls but we'll just have to wait and

3325
02:20:01,780 --> 02:20:00,080
see how it goes I wanted to ask you

3326
02:20:03,790 --> 02:20:01,790
since you raised that over the years

3327
02:20:05,200 --> 02:20:03,800
people have said this is the year we're

3328
02:20:06,910 --> 02:20:05,210
going to have some revelation about

3329
02:20:09,040 --> 02:20:06,920
something or other what makes you think

3330
02:20:11,950 --> 02:20:09,050
this is gonna happen with crystal skulls

3331
02:20:14,620 --> 02:20:11,960
this year well what I always do is I

3332
02:20:17,050 --> 02:20:14,630
look at how things are actually going

3333
02:20:19,330 --> 02:20:17,060
for us because this work that we do this

3334
02:20:21,250 --> 02:20:19,340
is how we make our living so I look and

3335
02:20:22,390 --> 02:20:21,260
see you know are we being invited to

3336
02:20:24,820 --> 02:20:22,400
different places are different

3337
02:20:27,910 --> 02:20:24,830
opportunities coming up and based upon

3338
02:20:29,650 --> 02:20:27,920
the people that I know that I talk to in

3339
02:20:32,440 --> 02:20:29,660
the world it just seems like for

3340
02:20:34,570 --> 02:20:32,450
everyone there's this sensing of a major

3341
02:20:36,460 --> 02:20:34,580
door company part of the other reason I

3342
02:20:38,980 --> 02:20:36,470
feel this and again it's it's one of

3343
02:20:41,770 --> 02:20:38,990
these crazy experiences I can only share

3344
02:20:44,170 --> 02:20:41,780
it but it's happening is we each have

3345
02:20:45,610 --> 02:20:44,180
our own what I call spirit gardens and

3346
02:20:47,020 --> 02:20:45,620
whoever these guides are that are

3347
02:20:48,880 --> 02:20:47,030
helping us with our work with the

3348
02:20:50,890 --> 02:20:48,890
crystal skulls they're telling us that

3349
02:20:52,240 --> 02:20:50,900
the vibration of the planet has raised

3350
02:20:54,310 --> 02:20:52,250
to a higher frequency

3351
02:20:56,050 --> 02:20:54,320
especially in this year that they're

3352
02:20:58,900 --> 02:20:56,060
going to start coming forward and doing

3353
02:21:00,700 --> 02:20:58,910
things in a more visible manner what

3354
02:21:03,340 --> 02:21:00,710
does that mean does it mean that we

3355
02:21:05,320 --> 02:21:03,350
might see more UFOs or we might actually

3356
02:21:07,390 --> 02:21:05,330
have a time where there's an

3357
02:21:09,640 --> 02:21:07,400
extraterrestrial we meet and it's not

3358
02:21:11,830 --> 02:21:09,650
like blank from somebody's memory or

3359
02:21:13,510 --> 02:21:11,840
imagination you can touch them you can

3360
02:21:14,679 --> 02:21:13,520
see them I don't know if it's going to

3361
02:21:16,960 --> 02:21:14,689
be something like this

3362
02:21:19,480 --> 02:21:16,970
could it mean that maybe some of the

3363
02:21:21,280 --> 02:21:19,490
very very old crystal skulls which maybe

3364
02:21:23,320 --> 02:21:21,290
we've heard in legends that we don't

3365
02:21:25,240 --> 02:21:23,330
know are they real or they not could

3366
02:21:27,219 --> 02:21:25,250
they start coming out one of the

3367
02:21:30,219 --> 02:21:27,229
interesting things that I really haven't

3368
02:21:32,320 --> 02:21:30,229
seen is I haven't seen indigenous elders

3369
02:21:34,990 --> 02:21:32,330
traveling the world with crystal skulls

3370
02:21:37,060 --> 02:21:35,000
I've seen modern people traveling the

3371
02:21:39,670 --> 02:21:37,070
world with crystal skulls in China but I

3372
02:21:42,250 --> 02:21:39,680
haven't really seen indigenous elders or

3373
02:21:44,350 --> 02:21:42,260
shamans really traveling a lot with

3374
02:21:46,929 --> 02:21:44,360
crystal skull like for example I know

3375
02:21:48,940 --> 02:21:46,939
who and spuds men who is a mind a keeper

3376
02:21:51,100 --> 02:21:48,950
that we mentioned he has his own crystal

3377
02:21:51,690 --> 02:21:51,110
skull now but this wasn't one that he

3378
02:21:53,790 --> 02:21:51,700
found

3379
02:21:56,490 --> 02:21:53,800
on the Mayan land if he was gifted from

3380
02:21:58,560 --> 02:21:56,500
a man in China so it's kind of what they

3381
02:22:01,230 --> 02:21:58,570
call it Tibetans go I don't know it just

3382
02:22:04,260 --> 02:22:01,240
it just see doors opening that I've

3383
02:22:06,870 --> 02:22:04,270
never seen before related to the work I

3384
02:22:10,080 --> 02:22:06,880
just had this sensing that finally after

3385
02:22:11,520 --> 02:22:10,090
28 years of working on this finally some

3386
02:22:13,260 --> 02:22:11,530
of these large projects which I've

3387
02:22:15,929 --> 02:22:13,270
mentioned we're finally going to be able

3388
02:22:18,960 --> 02:22:15,939
to do them so I just will stay positive

3389
02:22:20,640 --> 02:22:18,970
and you know I'll just expect it and

3390
02:22:22,710 --> 02:22:20,650
hopefully maybe some of your listeners

3391
02:22:24,120 --> 02:22:22,720
will feel the same and they might say

3392
02:22:25,650 --> 02:22:24,130
yeah I want to get involved I'd like

3393
02:22:27,690 --> 02:22:25,660
this I'd say well we'll get some more of

3394
02:22:30,030 --> 02:22:27,700
the involvement one more segment left

3395
02:22:31,950 --> 02:22:30,040
with Joshua Shapiro I'm gene Steinberg

3396
02:22:40,950 --> 02:22:31,960
the co-host is Chris O'Brien you're in

3397
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the para cast so here's what happened I

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02:25:17,529 --> 02:25:15,469
years in storage Dermatol is an absolute

3465
02:25:20,199 --> 02:25:17,539
must for any first aid or preparedness

3466
02:25:21,909 --> 02:25:20,209
kit Dermatol soothing rapid restoration

3467
02:25:25,029 --> 02:25:21,919
of injured skin is so effective it's

3468
02:25:27,159 --> 02:25:25,039
guaranteed order yours today call 800 to

3469
02:25:29,499 --> 02:25:27,169
one seven six six seven seven eight

3470
02:25:32,590 --> 02:25:29,509
hundred to one seven six six seven seven

3471
02:25:35,979 --> 02:25:32,600
that's 800 to one seven six six seven

3472
02:25:40,569 --> 02:25:35,989
seven efficient economical effective

3473
02:25:42,189 --> 02:25:40,579
spray it all with Dermatol the number

3474
02:25:43,569 --> 02:25:42,199
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3475
02:25:45,849 --> 02:25:43,579
life is having high levels of

3476
02:25:47,529 --> 02:25:45,859
glutathione this master antioxidant is

3477
02:25:49,689 --> 02:25:47,539
required by your body to stop free

3478
02:25:51,969 --> 02:25:49,699
radicals keep cells young remove

3479
02:25:54,340 --> 02:25:51,979
chemical and heavy metal toxins support

3480
02:25:56,679 --> 02:25:54,350
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3481
02:25:58,689 --> 02:25:56,689
inflammation and much more the results

3482
02:26:00,279 --> 02:25:58,699
of optimal levels of glutathione in your

3483
02:26:02,529 --> 02:26:00,289
body are more mental and physical energy

3484
02:26:04,779 --> 02:26:02,539
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3485
02:26:06,309 --> 02:26:04,789
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3486
02:26:08,829 --> 02:26:06,319
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3487
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3488
02:26:13,630 --> 02:26:11,419
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3489
02:26:15,969 --> 02:26:13,640
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3490
02:26:17,370 --> 02:26:15,979
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3491
02:26:18,780 --> 02:26:17,380
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3492
02:26:21,480 --> 02:26:18,790
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3493
02:26:23,760 --> 02:26:21,490
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3494
02:26:25,770 --> 02:26:23,770
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3495
02:26:27,810 --> 02:26:25,780
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3496
02:26:30,150 --> 02:26:27,820
five that's eighty eight eight nine

3497
02:26:34,290 --> 02:26:30,160
eight eight three three to five or visit

3498
02:26:41,429 --> 02:26:34,300
one world wacom that's one world whe

3499
02:26:43,469 --> 02:26:41,439
wide calm the GC and radio network

3500
02:26:47,940 --> 02:26:43,479
providing the world with hard-hitting

3501
02:26:52,671 --> 02:26:47,950
talk radio g c-- and grey talk radio

3502
02:26:57,470 --> 02:26:55,160
this is the wrong flag laughter of the

3503
02:27:03,980 --> 02:26:57,480
UFO encyclopedia other books when you're

3504
02:27:06,171 --> 02:27:03,990
listening to the podcast we have Joshua

3505
02:27:08,270 --> 02:27:06,181
Shapiro and he's very optimistic about

3506
02:27:10,850 --> 02:27:08,280
this year something really major

3507
02:27:13,371 --> 02:27:10,860
happening in the realm of crystal skull

3508
02:27:15,591 --> 02:27:13,381
research I'm Jean Steinberg Luka hoses

3509
02:27:17,421 --> 02:27:15,601
Chris O'Brien you're in the para cast so

3510
02:27:20,121 --> 02:27:17,431
it comes down to this year and that is

3511
02:27:22,490 --> 02:27:20,131
we have a lot of interest in crystal

3512
02:27:25,190 --> 02:27:22,500
skulls about the possibilities what can

3513
02:27:27,081 --> 02:27:25,200
we do to get mainstream science to look

3514
02:27:29,631 --> 02:27:27,091
at stuff like this I wish I knew the

3515
02:27:31,910 --> 02:27:29,641
answers of that gene the only thing I

3516
02:27:34,190 --> 02:27:31,920
can think of to do is just to continue

3517
02:27:36,650 --> 02:27:34,200
to share the best information that we

3518
02:27:39,860 --> 02:27:36,660
can gather with the hope that perhaps

3519
02:27:40,970 --> 02:27:39,870
one of the scientists will look at it

3520
02:27:43,730 --> 02:27:40,980
and say you know there's something

3521
02:27:45,860 --> 02:27:43,740
remarkable going on here and we need to

3522
02:27:48,110 --> 02:27:45,870
understand this we can't just pretend

3523
02:27:50,480 --> 02:27:48,120
it's not happening because that's the

3524
02:27:53,211 --> 02:27:50,490
sensing that I get from the scientist

3525
02:27:55,220 --> 02:27:53,221
and the archaeologist is it's like some

3526
02:27:56,780 --> 02:27:55,230
of the experiences that people are

3527
02:27:59,180 --> 02:27:56,790
having and it's some good phenomenon

3528
02:28:02,121 --> 02:27:59,190
going on around this guy's it just kind

3529
02:28:04,610 --> 02:28:02,131
of refutes their theories of reality and

3530
02:28:07,430 --> 02:28:04,620
so rather than say well you know let's

3531
02:28:09,980 --> 02:28:07,440
take a look they just keep going forward

3532
02:28:11,990 --> 02:28:09,990
so the best we can do is continue to

3533
02:28:14,360 --> 02:28:12,000
publish our books continue to do our

3534
02:28:16,251 --> 02:28:14,370
lectures try to get our movies out our

3535
02:28:18,350 --> 02:28:16,261
documentaries try to work with people

3536
02:28:20,570 --> 02:28:18,360
like Kristen see you know if we can

3537
02:28:22,850 --> 02:28:20,580
create something else if we can do some

3538
02:28:24,621 --> 02:28:22,860
kind of a research like what happened

3539
02:28:26,301 --> 02:28:24,631
with the skull group in England I don't

3540
02:28:28,400 --> 02:28:26,311
know if you guys ever heard of that

3541
02:28:30,711 --> 02:28:28,410
group they were having direct contact

3542
02:28:32,871 --> 02:28:30,721
from spirit in spirit was manifesting

3543
02:28:35,301 --> 02:28:32,881
everything you can imagine in this

3544
02:28:38,331 --> 02:28:35,311
cellar in the basement of this home we

3545
02:28:40,341 --> 02:28:38,341
went there and the only thing I can tell

3546
02:28:42,621 --> 02:28:40,351
you is is that after we went into that

3547
02:28:44,480 --> 02:28:42,631
cellar and we looked at the crystal

3548
02:28:47,240 --> 02:28:44,490
skulls we brought they all shifted

3549
02:28:49,610 --> 02:28:47,250
internally what's one of the things that

3550
02:28:52,251 --> 02:28:49,620
everything would bother scientists that

3551
02:28:54,470 --> 02:28:52,261
uh excuse me shifting internally like

3552
02:28:55,791 --> 02:28:54,480
that yeah so what I'm saying is what

3553
02:28:57,680 --> 02:28:55,801
does that mean when you have a crystal

3554
02:29:00,350 --> 02:28:57,690
what does that mean shifted internally

3555
02:29:03,560 --> 02:29:00,360
okay so when you have a crystal skull it

3556
02:29:06,260 --> 02:29:03,570
has a certain pattern inside of it okay

3557
02:29:08,599 --> 02:29:06,270
certain way that the crystal looks

3558
02:29:10,069 --> 02:29:08,609
in particular let's take portal Deleuze

3559
02:29:14,029 --> 02:29:10,079
which was in this cellar

3560
02:29:18,050 --> 02:29:14,039
so it has fractures inside of it and it

3561
02:29:21,170 --> 02:29:18,060
has different shapes of things but over

3562
02:29:24,199 --> 02:29:21,180
time what happens is how it looks

3563
02:29:26,569 --> 02:29:24,209
internally changes in other words it's a

3564
02:29:28,819 --> 02:29:26,579
physical object according to scientist

3565
02:29:31,639 --> 02:29:28,829
it should not be changing but it

3566
02:29:33,859 --> 02:29:31,649
physically changes in its internal form

3567
02:29:37,069 --> 02:29:33,869
and you can I've seen this you could see

3568
02:29:38,779 --> 02:29:37,079
this thing very clearly I mean for

3569
02:29:43,760 --> 02:29:38,789
example portal Deleuze when I first

3570
02:29:46,550 --> 02:29:43,770
received him in 1999 he was a very dark

3571
02:29:49,550 --> 02:29:46,560
shade of grey and he didn't have all

3572
02:29:51,829 --> 02:29:49,560
these cracks and changes inside of him

3573
02:29:54,469 --> 02:29:51,839
and now he's a very light shade of grey

3574
02:29:56,899 --> 02:29:54,479
and I've actually seen him this was very

3575
02:30:00,939 --> 02:29:56,909
remarkable when I was in Poland we were

3576
02:30:03,859 --> 02:30:00,949
supported by a doctor who did

3577
02:30:06,019 --> 02:30:03,869
biomagnetic healing he was very famous

3578
02:30:08,809 --> 02:30:06,029
for this and he became interested in the

3579
02:30:12,170 --> 02:30:08,819
crystal skulls so there was this woman

3580
02:30:15,859 --> 02:30:12,180
there who was like an operatic tenor and

3581
02:30:17,989 --> 02:30:15,869
this doctor who Karski was his name I

3582
02:30:19,429 --> 02:30:17,999
believe he gave the crystal scope to

3583
02:30:21,859 --> 02:30:19,439
this one and said hold it under your

3584
02:30:23,689 --> 02:30:21,869
throat and sing with them so he began

3585
02:30:25,609 --> 02:30:23,699
she began to sing within and she said

3586
02:30:28,069 --> 02:30:25,619
she's saying more powerfully than she

3587
02:30:30,769 --> 02:30:28,079
ever did before but this smoky quartz

3588
02:30:33,829 --> 02:30:30,779
girl that was you know a great color

3589
02:30:37,210 --> 02:30:33,839
became almost totally clear like clear

3590
02:30:39,469 --> 02:30:37,220
quartz and you could visibly see it

3591
02:30:41,059 --> 02:30:39,479
videotaped this was this was can you

3592
02:30:48,319 --> 02:30:41,069
Doug can you document it was this

3593
02:30:50,210 --> 02:30:48,329
documented we all saw it and I've seen

3594
02:30:53,179 --> 02:30:50,220
it happen again where other people have

3595
02:30:56,059 --> 02:30:53,189
worked with this guy and it has totally

3596
02:31:04,909 --> 02:30:56,069
changed in its current shape and son

3597
02:31:06,349 --> 02:31:04,919
so photographs no this is ridiculous you

3598
02:31:09,710 --> 02:31:06,359
should be thinking that way because

3599
02:31:11,329 --> 02:31:09,720
you're being asked to demonstrate the

3600
02:31:13,550 --> 02:31:11,339
reality of something that a lot of

3601
02:31:16,159 --> 02:31:13,560
people don't accept and now you have a

3602
02:31:18,769 --> 02:31:16,169
chance to show evidence okay this is

3603
02:31:19,830 --> 02:31:18,779
before this is after but then of course

3604
02:31:21,030 --> 02:31:19,840
the other skeptical

3605
02:31:22,620 --> 02:31:21,040
that would be how do I know it's the

3606
02:31:24,120 --> 02:31:22,630
same skull so that would be another

3607
02:31:26,610 --> 02:31:24,130
point - how do I know it's the same

3608
02:31:28,830 --> 02:31:26,620
skull that was this color now and that

3609
02:31:31,560 --> 02:31:28,840
color later well that's easy - that's

3610
02:31:33,900 --> 02:31:31,570
easy that's easy to ask for clay and you

3611
02:31:36,929 --> 02:31:33,910
just get the actual weight out to seven

3612
02:31:39,060 --> 02:31:36,939
places and and you can determine you can

3613
02:31:41,280 --> 02:31:39,070
determine the whether it's the same

3614
02:31:44,250 --> 02:31:41,290
object or not what what I'm suggesting

3615
02:31:45,510 --> 02:31:44,260
is it's it's if you want to get science

3616
02:31:47,190 --> 02:31:45,520
involved you got to come up with

3617
02:31:49,469 --> 02:31:47,200
something that's tantalizing enough for

3618
02:31:51,090 --> 02:31:49,479
them to to go oh wait a minute how can

3619
02:31:52,710 --> 02:31:51,100
that be possible I want to look into

3620
02:31:54,840 --> 02:31:52,720
this and it would seem to me anytime

3621
02:31:56,310 --> 02:31:54,850
that you do any work with that skull you

3622
02:31:57,870 --> 02:31:56,320
should have tape recorders going you

3623
02:32:00,300 --> 02:31:57,880
should have photographs should have

3624
02:32:01,889 --> 02:32:00,310
video tape running and document all this

3625
02:32:03,210 --> 02:32:01,899
stuff because you never know when you're

3626
02:32:05,340 --> 02:32:03,220
gonna have that smoking gun evidence

3627
02:32:08,280 --> 02:32:05,350
that's gonna be enough to interest

3628
02:32:10,860 --> 02:32:08,290
modern diagnostic science and until you

3629
02:32:12,480 --> 02:32:10,870
do that I don't think that this whole

3630
02:32:15,719 --> 02:32:12,490
subject is gonna be taken seriously in

3631
02:32:17,880 --> 02:32:15,729
fact this subject is gonna generate a

3632
02:32:20,310 --> 02:32:17,890
tremendous amount of controversy on our

3633
02:32:24,030 --> 02:32:20,320
forms because we do have a lot of people

3634
02:32:26,310 --> 02:32:24,040
that are super objective super skeptical

3635
02:32:28,139 --> 02:32:26,320
but open-minded and you know they're

3636
02:32:31,410 --> 02:32:28,149
gonna be dogging us for not dogging you

3637
02:32:33,000 --> 02:32:31,420
more basically and I have been around

3638
02:32:34,920 --> 02:32:33,010
these skulls I do know there is

3639
02:32:36,780 --> 02:32:34,930
something about them that is that is

3640
02:32:39,090 --> 02:32:36,790
worthy of investigation

3641
02:32:41,940 --> 02:32:39,100
I don't fully buy into the spiritual

3642
02:32:44,849 --> 02:32:41,950
side of the equation although I sensor

3643
02:32:46,800 --> 02:32:44,859
may be something to it but I think the

3644
02:32:50,490 --> 02:32:46,810
only way we're gonna bridge that gap of

3645
02:32:53,820 --> 02:32:50,500
a suspension of disbelief is if we have

3646
02:32:56,130 --> 02:32:53,830
enough empirical evidence to present to

3647
02:32:58,380 --> 02:32:56,140
science that would be enough to get them

3648
02:33:01,260 --> 02:32:58,390
involved and that's you know I'm getting

3649
02:33:05,340 --> 02:33:01,270
off my crystal soapbox here well I think

3650
02:33:08,040 --> 02:33:05,350
what the key common is is - when I have

3651
02:33:10,650 --> 02:33:08,050
the opportunity to speak like I kind of

3652
02:33:13,860 --> 02:33:10,660
did this on the TV show of beyond for a

3653
02:33:15,120 --> 02:33:13,870
National Geographic his giant challenged

3654
02:33:17,969 --> 02:33:15,130
the scientist

3655
02:33:20,429 --> 02:33:17,979
hey there are things going on I dare you

3656
02:33:22,469 --> 02:33:20,439
to prove it wrong but you know what none

3657
02:33:23,790 --> 02:33:22,479
of them have come forward yet to show

3658
02:33:26,040 --> 02:33:23,800
that interest because they just think

3659
02:33:26,520 --> 02:33:26,050
god this Shapero guy what is he talking

3660
02:33:28,770 --> 02:33:26,530
about

3661
02:33:30,810 --> 02:33:28,780
he has no scientific background so we'll

3662
02:33:32,769 --> 02:33:30,820
just ignore him doesn't that put the

3663
02:33:34,989 --> 02:33:32,779
onus on you to be more Pro

3664
02:33:37,779 --> 02:33:34,999
active in providing that evidence so

3665
02:33:40,689 --> 02:33:37,789
they can't dismiss it it's not you prove

3666
02:33:42,429 --> 02:33:40,699
me wrong it is let me prove to you that

3667
02:33:43,989 --> 02:33:42,439
I'm right because that's what they're

3668
02:33:45,969 --> 02:33:43,999
going to demand they're not going to

3669
02:33:47,559 --> 02:33:45,979
look into it unless you provide some

3670
02:33:49,779 --> 02:33:47,569
compelling evidence that's where it's

3671
02:33:51,819 --> 02:33:49,789
all about and I agree with you gene so

3672
02:33:53,529 --> 02:33:51,829
we have tried in the past to do the

3673
02:33:56,409 --> 02:33:53,539
experiments which we briefly talked

3674
02:33:59,260 --> 02:33:56,419
about which is we can ever get out the

3675
02:34:01,359 --> 02:33:59,270
full version of the new book that we

3676
02:34:03,130 --> 02:34:01,369
have a lot of that research and

3677
02:34:04,000 --> 02:34:03,140
information is contained in there so

3678
02:34:06,250 --> 02:34:04,010
excellent

3679
02:34:08,649 --> 02:34:06,260
I wish though that there was the

3680
02:34:11,019 --> 02:34:08,659
possibility in a way as you said Krista

3681
02:34:13,029 --> 02:34:11,029
we could have somebody travelling with

3682
02:34:14,710 --> 02:34:13,039
us to document it because almost every

3683
02:34:16,750 --> 02:34:14,720
time you go somewhere there is something

3684
02:34:19,090 --> 02:34:16,760
unusual that comes up around the crystal

3685
02:34:22,019 --> 02:34:19,100
skies but shouldn't you have more tools

3686
02:34:24,429 --> 02:34:22,029
to capture this video cameras even

3687
02:34:27,550 --> 02:34:24,439
cellphone camcorders are pretty decent

3688
02:34:29,889 --> 02:34:27,560
nowadays scientific instruments isn't

3689
02:34:33,219 --> 02:34:29,899
again the pressure on you to provide all

3690
02:34:35,710 --> 02:34:33,229
that evidence say here it is this is the

3691
02:34:38,139 --> 02:34:35,720
equipment we have we have state of the

3692
02:34:43,090 --> 02:34:38,149
art as much as we can afford we're gonna

3693
02:34:45,639 --> 02:34:43,100
prove it to you well I agree with you

3694
02:34:48,250 --> 02:34:45,649
gene we do need to do that so perhaps

3695
02:34:51,279 --> 02:34:48,260
the purpose of this conversation that

3696
02:34:53,590 --> 02:34:51,289
we're having today is a reminder to pay

3697
02:34:55,269 --> 02:34:53,600
more attention to those things why

3698
02:34:58,869 --> 02:34:55,279
aren't you paying more attention to

3699
02:35:01,479 --> 02:34:58,879
those things because I've so many things

3700
02:35:05,199 --> 02:35:01,489
I'm trying to do gene in this one person

3701
02:35:06,909 --> 02:35:05,209
it's an unimaginable so I mean if I had

3702
02:35:09,099 --> 02:35:06,919
an army of people that could help us

3703
02:35:11,380 --> 02:35:09,109
with what we're doing which is why we're

3704
02:35:13,840 --> 02:35:11,390
trying to get the nonprofit going to see

3705
02:35:16,239 --> 02:35:13,850
if we can get some grants and things it

3706
02:35:18,579 --> 02:35:16,249
would be a lot easier right now as it is

3707
02:35:20,319 --> 02:35:18,589
when you have to do everything for

3708
02:35:23,349 --> 02:35:20,329
yourself for your survival and your work

3709
02:35:26,859 --> 02:35:23,359
it's not as easy as something yeah boy I

3710
02:35:29,619 --> 02:35:26,869
know about that guard less whether it is

3711
02:35:31,479 --> 02:35:29,629
or not we are very dedicated to this and

3712
02:35:33,189 --> 02:35:31,489
when the right time comes as for all

3713
02:35:35,229 --> 02:35:33,199
these things to fall into place we

3714
02:35:37,840 --> 02:35:35,239
believe that it will that's why I do the

3715
02:35:40,539 --> 02:35:37,850
radio shows hoping they'll be listeners

3716
02:35:42,340 --> 02:35:40,549
who will say you know I understand what

3717
02:35:43,960 --> 02:35:42,350
Joshua's talking about I'd like to help

3718
02:35:46,230 --> 02:35:43,970
I like to get involved but we're gonna

3719
02:35:48,900 --> 02:35:46,240
keep going no matter what okay so

3720
02:35:50,970 --> 02:35:48,910
if anyone wants to help provide some

3721
02:35:53,360 --> 02:35:50,980
research material hardware whatever

3722
02:35:56,461 --> 02:35:53,370
where do they get in touch with you okay

3723
02:35:59,461 --> 02:35:56,471
the easiest way to get in touch with us

3724
02:36:05,850 --> 02:35:59,471
is through our email address which is

3725
02:36:08,250 --> 02:36:05,860
Crystal Skull explorers at gmail.com or

3726
02:36:11,600 --> 02:36:08,260
if you just look up Joshua Shapiro on

3727
02:36:14,100 --> 02:36:11,610
Google you should be able to find us I

3728
02:36:16,620 --> 02:36:14,110
just did a search myself and I was

3729
02:36:18,511 --> 02:36:16,630
surprised how many of those entries

3730
02:36:20,881 --> 02:36:18,521
under my name are listed right on the

3731
02:36:23,881 --> 02:36:20,891
first page right so it's the first page

3732
02:36:26,610 --> 02:36:23,891
link and by the way if you go to our

3733
02:36:28,950 --> 02:36:26,620
website the para cast com we also have a

3734
02:36:31,890 --> 02:36:28,960
link to Joshua's site so you can check

3735
02:36:35,131 --> 02:36:31,900
out the things he has to offer from

3736
02:36:37,230 --> 02:36:35,141
Chris and from me special Thank You

3737
02:36:39,690 --> 02:36:37,240
Joshua Shapiro for joining us this week

3738
02:36:41,551 --> 02:36:39,700
on the power cast well thank you Jeannie

3739
02:36:43,320 --> 02:36:41,561
and Chris for the opportunity to share

3740
02:36:45,631 --> 02:36:43,330
more about the Crystal Skull so I think

3741
02:36:48,060 --> 02:36:45,641
it's really important for the future of

3742
02:36:50,160 --> 02:36:48,070
humanity when people if they're not

3743
02:37:01,020 --> 02:36:50,170
familiar with it they should take a look

3744
02:37:06,150 --> 02:37:03,750
there is a calculated presentation of

3745
02:37:08,800 --> 02:37:06,160
making the impossible incorporated tune

3746
02:37:16,349 --> 02:37:08,810
in next week for a new adventure and